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Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by bloopernova »

hetspookjee wrote: post #243
bloopernova wrote: post #126

*Off-topic:* I've experimented with a new layout in Firefox, and now I can't think of going back. I first installed Tree Style Tab. I then removed the tabs at the top of the window and added a permanent status bar to the bottom of the window using userChrome.css: https://i.imgur.com/PIONywj.png (edited to add, my userChrome.css: https://gist.github.com/anthonyclarka2/155c038de96e91894cbd4... ) (EDIT: I added some ext…

Weird to see an off topic post being number one in the thread. Good for you and your layout but the on topic comment is as cookie cutter as can be. No shit that tech minded folk like to block ads! I view this post as an attempt to distract from the actual topic.

My apologies, it was not my intent to distract from the discussion at hand. I thought my original comment would languish at the bottom of the thread with 1 or 2 votes.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by betwixthewires »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #28
Flankk wrote: post #2

Are people really that adamant about blocking ads on the web? I don't understand why people think it's a good idea to remove the primary source of revenue for content creators. At the most it amounts to a very mild annoyance and ads also help small businesses to grow. Edit: I'd appreciate it if someone could respond to the points I made rather than simply complain about why they don't like ads.

I'm going to back up the GP on this! HN users tend to get annoyed by (1) ads, (2) paywalls, and (3) articles without enough research (aka time aka money). I'm cognizant of the fact that HN isn't a hive mind, and so these complaints aren't necessarily coming from the same people—but some certainly are. Well, which is it? Or do we expect content creators to work for free? If we have to pick a poison—and, well, I think…

Here's what arguments like this fail to understand: I don't care if you get paid.

I don't expect anyone to work for free. If you stop creating because you're not getting paid, too bad for me I guess. But I don't owe you attention because you did something either. There are two sides to this remember.

If what you do is worth charging people for it, charge people. If charging people would make you go broke, how valuable is what you're doing, really?

If your revenue model is "let some scum track my users and sell their data" you weren't taking your revenue seriously to begin with, you need a better business model than "they'll put up with it because they like me."

Sponsorships. Patronage. Merch. Exclusive content. These are viable revenue models, you get what your work is worth. If you can't pay the bills with these, nobody really wants your content anyway and they're probably just passing the time because it's free.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by bloopernova »

pmontra wrote: post #233
bloopernova wrote: post #126

*Off-topic:* I've experimented with a new layout in Firefox, and now I can't think of going back. I first installed Tree Style Tab. I then removed the tabs at the top of the window and added a permanent status bar to the bottom of the window using userChrome.css: https://i.imgur.com/PIONywj.png (edited to add, my userChrome.css: https://gist.github.com/anthonyclarka2/155c038de96e91894cbd4... ) (EDIT: I added some ext…

Do you use only full screen browser windows? I got the feeling that TST doesn't play nice with narrower windows as it requires a lot of horizontal space. I've got 10 browser windows on 5 different desktops now (8 Firefox, 1 Vivaldi, 1 Chrome). Only 3 of them are full screen, one per browser. The window I'm currently typing it is wide about 2/3 of the screen and it's probably twice as wide as it should be to read HN (…

I've gotten used to the full screen (or width) windows. Mostly it's because of certain work web UIs that need as much width as possible.

I agree with your statement that wide text is difficult to read. In Emacs I use Olivetti mode to narrow my text windows, I should probably do something similar for hackernews or other sites that would benefit from narrower windows.

In Firefox, there's reader mode too, which makes things much easier to see.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by agilob »

hellcow wrote: post #265
agilob wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm afraid Mozilla can't promise anything at this point: >After discussing this with several content blocking extension developers, we have decided to implement DNR and continue maintaining support for blocking webRequest Then they say blockingWebRequest will be eventually deprecated: >We’d like to note that it’s still very early to be talking about migrating extensions to Manifest v3. We have not yet set a deprecati…

From the link you posted: > After discussing this with several content blocking extension developers, we have decided to implement DNR and continue maintaining support for blocking webRequest. They're adopting v3 but not removing this critical use-case.

Yes, but the next sentence says:

>We have not yet set a deprecation date for Manifest v2

which means they plan to deprecate everything before v3, but don't want say it now.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by pseudalopex »

staunch wrote: post #264
xdennis wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems reasonable to require a static list for privacy reasons. It's rich to cite privacy reasons for not allowing the blocking of ad sites whose goal is to spy on you.

The privacy advantage is not giving extensions access to what domains you are browsing. The extension declares a static list but doesn't know what did/did not match. Because if the extension knows what URLs you're accessing, and can send that data somewhere, that's a major privacy concern. So this makes sense and seems good for privacy. But if it breaks uBlock Origin significantly, that seems like a very bad thing.

They aren't removing the capability to monitor browsing.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by hibbelig »

staunch wrote: post #264
xdennis wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems reasonable to require a static list for privacy reasons. It's rich to cite privacy reasons for not allowing the blocking of ad sites whose goal is to spy on you.

The privacy advantage is not giving extensions access to what domains you are browsing. The extension declares a static list but doesn't know what did/did not match. Because if the extension knows what URLs you're accessing, and can send that data somewhere, that's a major privacy concern. So this makes sense and seems good for privacy. But if it breaks uBlock Origin significantly, that seems like a very bad thing.

Ad sites know which urls I’m accessing, too. Google should prohibit those, too.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by nicce »

chlorion wrote: post #283
SquareWheel wrote: post #163

For all the claims that the sky is falling, I'd like to know which functionality is still missing in declarativeNetRequest. Extended rule limits, dynamic rules, and header modification have been added. What else is required for a functional adblocker? This reddit thread barely seems to understand the issue, never mind the technical deficiencies of the API.

Yeah I am wondering the same thing. There have been several times in the past where it was said chromium would lose some of its adblocking abilities and so far that has not actually happened. This is one of those things that I will believe when it's actually in effect, but not sooner.

Check the timeline: https://developer.chrome.com/blog/mv2-transition/ On next January, new V2 Manifest extensions can't land on the store anymore. Older ones stop working at 2023 January.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by tzs »

beervirus wrote: post #6

Color me shocked. Why does anyone use Chrome anymore? Firefox is better in every way, and it isn’t tied to the biggest data harvester the world has ever known.

> Firefox is better in every way

I stopped using Firefox largely because I got tired of having to pause when commenting to deal with its spell checker. Firefox has worse spell checking by far than any other major browser. It's also worse that LibreOffice which is odd because it uses the same open source spell checker as LibreOffice (and as Chrome and MacOS). All the words mentioned below were handled correctly in the other browsers (and LibreOffice, Microsoft Office, and Apple TextEdit).

Here are words I submitted to their spell checker error Bugzilla bug over a year ago that are still not fixed: manticore survivorship ferrite massless rotator dominator untraceably synchronizer.

Here are words I reported about 11 months ago that are still not fixed: another's backlight coaxially hatchling impaction intercellular irrevocability licensor measurer meerkats mischaracterization misclassification misclassified partygoers passthrough plough retransmission seatbelt sensationalistic trichotomy underspecified untyped.

Here are words that I reported that are now fixed, but took a year or more to be fixed: all-nighter auditable automata blacksmithing bubonic cantina commenter conferenced epicycle ethicist fineable initializer lifecycle micropayments mosquitos pre-programmed preprogrammed prosecutable responder solvability spectrogram splitter subparagraphs subtractive surveil tradable transactional tunable verifiability verifier ballistically chewable counterintuitive exonerations mistyped phosphine programmability recertification shapeshifting tradeoffs webmail.

Chrome does have a spelling annoyance. It frequently flags "of". It seems to be flagging it for grammar, not spelling, since rewording the sentence after the "of" can make it go away.

This is a bit annoying, but an order of magnitude or more less annoying than Firefox's false flagging because I can always immediately recognize that I have in fact spelled "of" correctly. With Firefox's false flagging of words like "manticore" or "survivorship" or "ferrite" I'd have to check a dictionary or the web.

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by pseudalopex »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #72
beervirus wrote: post #6

Color me shocked. Why does anyone use Chrome anymore? Firefox is better in every way, and it isn’t tied to the biggest data harvester the world has ever known.

I've been using Firefox for more than 15 years, so I'm not a hater or anything like that. Maybe it's just a MacOS thing, but parts of Firefox are a mess and it has downsides compared to Chromium or Safari. - Javascript-heavy sites are often slower on Firefox for me. - On the security side of things (sandboxing, etc), Firefox often lags behind Chromium. - There's a site or two that don't work well. Sometimes it's the…

Firefox's JavaScript engine isn't a mess. It does some things faster. The problem is some developers don't test performance in Firefox. Or someone decides it isn't worth fixing. Using Chrome because of it is short term rational of course. But it makes the problem worse.

Sandboxing is a mix.[1]

It seems like Safari gets new features last usually. And other browsers never won't lag Chrome when the only criterion is if Chrome supports something.

What windows look like Firefox 3? What's wrong with the bookmarks toolbar margins? What amateur projects do a better job?

Ctrl+click opens a menu for bookmarks and links. Cmd+click opens a new tab for bookmarks and links. The only difference is Cmd+click on a bookmark switches to the new tab. I guess you want to open bookmarks without switching?

Best is subjective obviously. I wouldn't even say there's 1 best browser for me.

[1] https://hacks.mozilla.org/2021/12/webassembly-and-back-again...

Re: PSA: uBlock/AdBlocks on Chrome to lose function thanks to Manifestv3

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Post by jacquesm »

fsflover wrote: post #287
jacquesm wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies rely on their fuckups to force you to update so you get the rest of the kool-aid right along with the stuff that is a must have. You can't say 'just give me that security stuff and hold the trash'.

On Debian, which I'm using, you can say that.

Not within a single application, usually. You get the application updated or not, but not 'just the security fixes' and the rest of the application stays the same, especially not with the likes of Firefox.
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