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Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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Being dishonest about SLAs seems to bear zero cost in this case?

It's not really dishonest though because there is nuance. Most everything in EC2 is still working it seems, just the console is down. So is it really down? It should probably be yellow but not red.

SNS seems to be at least partially down as well

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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That sounds like the exact opposite of human-factors engineering. No one likes taking blame. But when things go sideways, people are extra spicy and defensive, which makes them clam up and often withhold useful information, which can extend the outage. No-blame analysis is a much better pattern. Everyone wins. It's about building the system that builds the system. Stuff broke; fix the stuff that broke, then fix the t…

I don't think engineers can believe in no-blame analysis if they know it'll harm career growth. I can't unilaterally promote John Doe, I have to convince other leaders that John would do well the next level up. And in those discussions, they could bring up "but John has caused 3 incidents this year", and honestly, maybe they'd be right.

Would they? Having 3 outages in a year sounds like an organization problem. Not enough safeguards to prevent very routine human errors. But instead of worrying about that we just assign a guy to take the fall

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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I worked at a company that hired an ex-Amazon engineer to work on some cloud projects. Whenever his projects went down, he fought tooth and nail against any suggestion to update the status page. When forced to update the status page, he'd follow up with an extremely long "post-mortem" document that was really just a long winded explanation about why the outage was someone else's fault. He later explained that in his…

This is the exact opposite of my experience at AWS. Amazon is all about blameless fact finding when it comes to root cause analysis. Your company just hired a not so great engineer or misunderstood him.

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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ECR borked for us in east-1

You can get new tokens. Image pulling times out after ~30s, which tells me that maybe ECR is actually up, but it can't verify the caller's credentials or access image metadata from some other internal service. It's probably something low level that crashed, taking down anything built above it.

Actually, images that do not exist will return the appropriate error within a few seconds, so it's really timing out when talking to the storage layer or similar.

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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Not sure it helps, but got this update from someone inside AWS a few moments ago. "We have identified the root cause of the issues in the US-EAST-1 Region, which is a network issue with some network devices in that Region which is affecting multiple services, including the console but also services like S3. We are actively working towards recovery."

They finally updated the status page: https://status.aws.amazon.com/

Ahh good spot, it does seem that the AWS person I am speaking too has a few more bits other than what is shown on the page, they just messaged me the same message there, but added:

"All teams are engaged and continuing to work towards mitigation. We have confirmed the issue is due to multiple impaired network devices in the US-EAST-1 Region."

Doesn't sound like they are having a good day there!

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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I worked at a company that hired an ex-Amazon engineer to work on some cloud projects. Whenever his projects went down, he fought tooth and nail against any suggestion to update the status page. When forced to update the status page, he'd follow up with an extremely long "post-mortem" document that was really just a long winded explanation about why the outage was someone else's fault. He later explained that in his…

That's a real shame, one of the leadership principles used to be "be vocally self-critical" which I think was supposed to explicitly counteract this kind of behaviour.

I think they got rid of it at some point though.

Re: AWS us-east-1 outage

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Friends tell friends to pick us-east-2. Virginia is for lovers, Ohio is for availability.

If you're not multi-cloud in 2021 and are expecting 5-9's, I feel bad for you.

If you're not multi-region, I feel bad for you.

If your company is shoehorning you into using multiple clouds and learning a dozen products, IAM and CICD dialects simultaneously because "being cloud dependent is bad", I feel bad for you.

Doing one cloud correctly from a current DevSecOps perspective is a multi-year ask. I estimate it takes about 25 people working full time on managing and securing infrastructure per cloud, minimum. This does not include certain matrixed people from legacy network/IAM teams. If you have the people, go for it.

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