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Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by hutzlibu »

johnchristopher wrote: post #279
josaka wrote: post #69

After the TX grid failure last winter, it's probably not a coincidence that Samsung's new facility will be near ERCOT's operation center in Taylor, which manages the TX grid, and will likely be the last load to shed when the grid's stressed. Used to work in the Austin fab, and the amount of money lost per minute in a power failure is mind boggling. The tax breaks Taylor offered ($314m) are not that different from wha…

Isn't Samsung big enough to simply ask permissions to build their own nuclear reactor at that point ? Or wind turbine farms or whatever ?

A new nuclear plant cost billions and takes years to get permission and construction to complete. I assume they rather want to make chips, soon.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by trasz »

swagasaurus-rex wrote: post #180
trasz wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has no reason to invade Taiwan, and plenty of reasons to avoid doing it. The whole thing is just another American wet dream.

Xi Jinping has been threatening invasion for years, and before that, decades of CCP threats. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-58854081

>he said unification in a "peaceful manner" was "most in line with the overall interest of the Chinese nation, including Taiwan compatriots".

Are you sure that’s the article you wanted to link to?

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by trasz »

tw04 wrote: post #267
trasz wrote: post #192

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Until you realize that you are fine with the same stuff being done by US.

Your response has literally 0 substance. Ignoring the fact that whataboutism is a tired and lazy rebuttal, remind me which country has the US has annexed in the last decade, or whatever you’re trying to claim. I haven’t heard Canada or Mexico complain that they’re concerned we’re going to invade.

Remind me what country has China annexed in the last decade?

Your arguments were about eg Africa, which is obviously similar to the Marshall Plan.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by president »

trasz wrote: post #98
sleepysysadmin wrote: post #46

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This is about the war with china. Europe: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/tech-is-make-or-break-i... Germany: https://www.infineon.com/cms/en/about-infineon/press/press-r... Korea: https://fortune.com/2021/05/13/south-korea-chip-semiconducto... Japan: https://www.aroged.com/2021/11/23/japan-has-allocated-5-2-bi... Non-OP USA: https://9to5mac.com/2021/06/09/us-chip-production-52b/ Key players are expecting an all…

The easiest (and probably the only) way to prevent a war with China is to convince the US to not start it.

Who do you think is the aggressor? China or the US?

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by scottcodie »

jkestner wrote: post #227
bell-cot wrote: post #101

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This...but did Samsung quietly negotiate a "any further energy supply f*ck-ups are 100% on YOUR dime" deal with the State of Texas, or what? By several accounts, the TX grid got darn close to collapse last winter - at which point "ERCOT Op Center is next door, and we get top priority" would not get you a single erg.

The going deal is, if there’s a power failure, we’ll let you recoup your costs from the taxpayers even as you profiteer. The governor can be bought for a very affordable $1 million. Certainly the incentives are aligned to solve this problem! https://www.texasobserver.org/after-kelcy-warrens-energy-tra...

It remains to be seen if shifting the cost to taxpayers is harmful to the economy or not.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by tw04 »

trasz wrote: post #293
tw04 wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your response has literally 0 substance. Ignoring the fact that whataboutism is a tired and lazy rebuttal, remind me which country has the US has annexed in the last decade, or whatever you’re trying to claim. I haven’t heard Canada or Mexico complain that they’re concerned we’re going to invade.

Remind me what country has China annexed in the last decade? Your arguments were about eg Africa, which is obviously similar to the Marshall Plan.

> Remind me what country has China annexed in the last decade?

They’ve been annexing parts of Nepal for the last decade. They are attempting to claim parts of the South China Sea that belong to multiple neighbors.

Violating the agreement they made with the UK is essentially annexing Hong Kong.

The Marshall Plan was absolutely nothing like what China is doing and to claim so is utter ignorance of what is happening whether intentional or not. Given your responses so far I’ll assume it’s intentional.

You still have not provided a single example of what you’re accusing the US of.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by wonderwonder »

killjoywashere wrote: post #241
wonderwonder wrote: post #220

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They are setting up fairly close to Tesla. Wonder if they are working on a deal for Tesla to provide battery backup. Interestingly enough Austin, TX appears to be rapidly approaching SF status as a tech hub and may soon surpass them. Its an interesting thing to watch and really gives insight into how politics and taxes affect business and growth.

> Interestingly enough Austin, TX appears to be rapidly approaching SF status as a tech hub and may soon surpass them. Uh, maybe it's time to take a drive through Austin, but that was a pretty sleepy little college town 10 years ago. Most of my family lives in the central Texas region (San Antonio, San Carlos, College Station), and I presently live in Mountain View. I have a hard time believing SF-scale infrastructur…

I primarily meant software, computer manufacturing (chips, etc. ) style jobs but the fact that you went with wind tunnels is awesome :) You will always be cool in my books for this comment.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by bloodyplonker22 »

samstave wrote: post #256
josaka wrote: post #69

After the TX grid failure last winter, it's probably not a coincidence that Samsung's new facility will be near ERCOT's operation center in Taylor, which manages the TX grid, and will likely be the last load to shed when the grid's stressed. Used to work in the Austin fab, and the amount of money lost per minute in a power failure is mind boggling. The tax breaks Taylor offered ($314m) are not that different from wha…

Two things: Terrorist #1: FOCUS ON THAT PLANT ANT TAKE IT OUT!! --- Second thing: WHY THE FUCK ARENT THESE COMPANIES BUILDING THEIR OWN POWER PLANTS?

Three things:

why would a terrorist take it out when they could take out a ton of other higher priority targets?

Why would a company waste tons of money to build a power plant when they could just use an existing power plant. It may not be 100% reliable, but it's a hell of a lot better than wasting tons of money building their own.

Lastly, thanks for the completely nonsensical post and typing in all caps like it is a no-brainer when it's obviously not.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by PeterisP »

m0zg wrote: post #277
ksec wrote: post #183

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Morris Chang has been exceptionally clear on this issues when he was still CEO of TSMC, even before the whole politics and TSMC becoming leading edge. It is impossible with respect to current cost structure, without substantial government money, while getting the same margin. Of course it is entirely possible to throw money at the problem and succeed. Which is what Intel is trying to do right now with the help of US…

> Morris Chang has been exceptionally clear He can be "exceptionally clear" and still biased in favor of TMSC. > It is impossible with respect to current cost structure Well, we'll have to pay a few cents (or dollars) more per chip then. It is infeasible for us to continue to depend on TMSC in the long term - it will be taken over by our largest geopolitical adversary by 2030 at the latest. We do not have a choice bu…

On the other hand, from the perspective of TSMC, if production does not get transferred to USA mainland, then it secures the future of TSMC because in that case USA will ensure that they do not get taken over by a geopolitical adversary in the coming decade. Geopolitical risk is not something external that exists in isolation; the location of semiconductor manufacturing is a big factor that shapes the geopolitical risk by shaping the interests of key players. If USA can afford to walk away, Taiwan is at large geopolitical risk; but as long as their interests are tied together, then the risk to Taiwan is greatly limited.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by Aromasin »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #80
jason-phillips wrote: post #61

I worked at Samsung Austin Semiconductor for ten years as a software engineer. AMA. I very much love the people I worked with at SAS. It was one of the best experiences of my life and I'm very happy to see them expand like this. Wayne at Louie Mueller's BBQ had better add a few more pits, they're about to get a lot busier!

How do you get into chipmaking, really? Is it a Physics degree, or is it a Computer Science degree with just lots of on-the-job training?

This is just my experience working at another Big 5 manufacturer, but the easiest route was entry from another engineering role (if you didn't know anyone on the team there already). They never had any undergraduate roles available as the pipeline generally came through at MSc or PhD level.

I started in application engineering with an EEE degree, built a name for myself there over a couple of years, and made my intentions known once I built a good repertoire with my manager and mentors that I wanted to transition into chip design. They helped me network with the right people, and the chip design team took me on. Some of the skills I learnt at university, most of it I learnt on the job.

Networking > Qualifications to be honest. On the team we had Physicists, Electronics Engies, Comp Scientists, ML Engies, Mathematicians, Chemists and so on. Provided you can get a foot in the door and convince them you've got some skills that would be of use, then you're good.

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