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Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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There's no reason for it if I'm doing back end DevOps. I don't want to work on "the product".

Facebook uses Facebook for internal comms as an alternative to GMail/Office. Would you use that if you worked there?

You're supposed to use a personal/social account for workplace communication?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I don't have much data points to share. But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. It has been a common trend that when someone I know posts a job position in FB, nobody replies to it. At least not publicly (publicly means replying to tweet, replying to slack message in a well knit/known group of people). Even if they are replying personally and privately, that in it…

> But I've been seeing responses to people working FB have been horrible since for a while now. This might be more indicative of your bubble than anything. Facebook isn’t having a hard time hiring, despite whatever the headlines are trying to imply. There will always be a steady stream of applicants for high paying FAANG jobs. Being able to choose exactly which ultra-high-paying tech job you take or being able to wal…

> This might be more indicative of your bubble than anything.

Sure. But this bubble that I was in since for a long time had been OK with JOB positions and talking about a career in FB before. So if there is anything else, that itself shows that "my bubble" stopped preferring FB. Shouldn't that itself mean there is a reduction in people choosing FB? :)

And I am coming across this online and elsewhere too. So my bubble is not the only one with this feelings for sure.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I would guess people evaluate their job on money/work/stink axes. All of FAANG pays well, so what's left is whether the work is interesting/important/fulfilling and whether the company has integrity/evil issues. Eg you might think F1 has interesting problems despite glorifying fossil fuel cars, or you might think drones are technically challenging despite being used to kill people. Loads of people become nurses and t…

"I found it interesting that only half their job offers are taken up, that's super surprising to me." It is not surprising if the goal is not to fill vacancies or expanding needs, but to prevent competing companies from having these people at their disposal. There will be enough offers to cover every possible person who could do this computer-focused work that might go to work for a competitor. Another explanation is…

It is also possible some of the people rejecting offers do not have another offer pending at the time.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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Most teachers absolutely do get a 3 month break. They’ll have a few workshops at most.

People in here seem to be using "most" to mean "people I know personally". To add another data point, every teacher I know uses at least a third of their "break" for lesson planning. Usually more.

To add another data point, _every_ teacher I know (I know three) use less than a month of their three month break on lesson planning/continuing education/staff obligations.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I think it really says something that Facebook has to pay 20k/year extra in base salary for the same level compared to other FAANG companies to attract developers. I'm almost embarrassed to admit this, but when someone lists that they work at FB on their dating profile, I assume they either aren't paying attention or have dubious morals.

Netflix pays an extra 100k, is that because of a reputation for dubious morals?

Does Netflix pay 100k extra total comp or salary?

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I think it really says something that Facebook has to pay 20k/year extra in base salary for the same level compared to other FAANG companies to attract developers. I'm almost embarrassed to admit this, but when someone lists that they work at FB on their dating profile, I assume they either aren't paying attention or have dubious morals.

Netflix pays an extra 100k, is that because of a reputation for dubious morals?

Your conclusion is not the point that the parent is making.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I’m a FB employee and I’m giving my notice tomorrow. I interviewed with them in 2019 just so I could get a competing offer and had no intention of working there, but at the end of my interviewing run they were the only offer I had. It was 2x my current salary and it was too hard to turn it down when the money was right there in front of me. I had sincere moral issues with the company but I convinced myself their wors…

Glad you are following your conscience. You'll return all the money / stock options you were issued when you give your notice right?

For the (expected) downvoters, this is a legitimate question, because the easy thing is to quit after benefitting from something you eventually discover is "bad". Real moral principle comes from that extra step, usually of hardship, whereby you have the moral realisation and also penance that must be paid.

Otherwise we should all do bad things for money, and one day stop then say "whoops, guess it was as evil as I thought" while relaxing in our nice houses by the swimming pool that we bought with those proceeds.

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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If my inbox is any indication, hiring has picked back up in the last month. Tons of interest from big companies (Google, FB, door dash, and lots of smaller companies). It seems a bit odd to me as I thought the end of the year was usually a slow time for staffing.

Eoy has not been slow ime - recruiters want to hit their annual kpis

Re: Facebook employees are now more willing to leave, tech recruiters say

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I have to wonder if job satisfaction at Facebook has a very binomial distribution. This is pretty much true at any large corp, where there can be a ton of variation between teams, but from the outside looking in it seems that Facebook basically has a dichotomy: On one hand you have teams working on interesting and industry-leading tech, like React, GraphQL, Oculus, etc. But on the other you have legions of people wor…

I think it totally depends on the team. I am a senior IC. I went from Google to FB for L+1. The salary increase alone was enough to convince me. Personally I don't think GOOG is much better than FB (if they are better at all) in all the areas in which people on HN complain. I heard some horror stories about FB Work/Life balance before I came here. Turns out I work 10-15 hours a week less than when I was at Google, in…

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