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Not the OP, but in India, the lowest priced one I could find was from ASUS, which costs around $2600. I don't think the vanilla RTX 3080Ti is available here yet. The most expensive one was from MSI which costs around $3200. Whereas PS5 (official price i.e. without considering the shortages) costs $675.
What currency is that in?
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> PC games don’t need “cross play” FYI, you create a server and it is visible for anyone who purchased the game regardless of platform. That is very much game specific. As an example, Deep Rock Galactic doesn't support playing between Steam and the MS store [0] > I haven’t used in game voice for more than a decade now. discord, teamspeak, steam chat, Xbox live all work well and are used by quite a lot of people. All…
> So it's not just file a bug report, it's file a bug report and provide follow up information. As a programmer, that's fine, but what if my kids want to play minecraft with their friends? I’d say your kids pc doesn’t need docker on it. You can’t eat the cake and have it too. If you’re technically skilled to be using containers and virtualization, least you could do is file a helpful bug report.
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I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…
Another pretty big advantage of a console platform which isn't jailbroken (yet?) is far less cheating. Sure, you still got all your in-game exploits (some games don't have many, other games are riddled with game-breaking exploits), but you have to invest in a hardware cheat to get an aimbot or whatever on a console (one might argue that, depending on the game, you already get an aimbot out of the box anyway). Cheatin…
It's something I struggle with a bit, because locked-down hardware is evil in every other respect. But it's clearly advantageous for online gaming.
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> Both services support adding non platform games through their shortcut/executable. The multiplayer services are independent and crossplay is an exception, that's what I think they were getting at. Being able to launch an executable from a different store doesn't matter if your copy uses Steamworks for multiplayer and the copy from the MS store doesn't support that. > File a bug report? Or you just came up with some…
> The multiplayer services are independent and crossplay is an exception, that's what I think they were getting at. Being able to launch an executable from a different store doesn't matter if your copy uses Steamworks for multiplayer and the copy from the MS store doesn't support that. But that’s not the case from the games I’ve played unless you’re getting into hypotheticals. I’ve played on Xbox live with my cousins…
No need for hypotheticals, Deep Rock Galactic [0] doesn't support play between the MS store and steam. Minecraft [1] has two versions that say they support cross play, except you can't play between the two (and depending on how you purchase the version you're playing, this is not clear, e.g. [2]). Marvel vs capcom Infinite doesn't supoort play between the MS Store and Steam [3]. You mentioned Age of Empires and F1 2020, but googling for those two seems to suggest that both of those games suffer from the same issue; [4] [5]
> As for the issues with virtualization, it’s an understandable issue with concerns around cheating in pc multiplayer games.
I understand the issues, virtualisation was an example of an issue I faced. (and it's actually not even a virtualisation issue, it's a virtual network adapter issue!) In the last few years I've had issues with Graphics drivers that are apparently too old, drivers that are too _new_, crashes when changing audio devices, windows update blocking game installs, anticheat failing to install/update, problems with performance on a very high end PC due to third party software (chrome). They're the issues I've had, and in my group of 8 or so friends that I play with regularly, the above are common, and everyone has their "own" set of issues.
[0] https://www.deeprockgalactic.com/crossplay-info [1] https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/get-minecraft [2] https://www.microsoft.com/store/productId/9NBLGGH2JHXJ [3] https://www.xbox.com/en-gb/games/store/marvel-vs-capcom-infi... [4] https://www.reddit.com/r/F1Game/comments/i3th2e/steam_x_micr... [5] https://www.reddit.com/r/pcgaming/comments/dyk1ut/the_crossp...
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Another pretty big advantage of a console platform which isn't jailbroken (yet?) is far less cheating. Sure, you still got all your in-game exploits (some games don't have many, other games are riddled with game-breaking exploits), but you have to invest in a hardware cheat to get an aimbot or whatever on a console (one might argue that, depending on the game, you already get an aimbot out of the box anyway). Cheatin…
Honestly, I've always considered this to be the one really strong argument in favor of locked-down hardware. It's something I struggle with a bit, because locked-down hardware is evil in every other respect. But it's clearly advantageous for online gaming.
I remember the day. I was playing Battlefield 3 I believe. I kept getting sniped across the map with headshots. Went to search and typed in 'BF3 cheats' and the very first hit was a youtube video with a working aimbot link in the description.
That being said, every time my PS4 would update and the only patch notes were 'security updates', the only thing that actually changed were their ads on the home screen.
Then they began removing functionality.
Then the weekly OS updates, with notes never saying more than 'security'
Nowhere to go that hasn't been shit upon by either the player base, or the evil manufacturers.
I used to love online gaming, have made some lifelong friends from it. But I'm over it and these days I look for single pmayer games with enough content to be worth the purchase without ebdless DLC.
Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…
Also, people don't need any of the "other stuff", so there is that.
PC has the biggest game library though if you don't have boundaries (include emulators and stuff). You can't get anywhere close. And if stuff is broken, you can fix it. And if stuff is boring, you can cheat to the fun part (single player games!).
Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…
I believe consoles are indeed cheaper because 1. they can be sold at a loss (whether or not they actually are now, they have been historically) as the manufacturers make that back on games 2. they bulk order components and package/market them as a single piece. I much prefer gaming on consoles because I can't be bothered with all the mental overhead that comes with PC gaming. Like most of us I don't have much time. I…
With a console you don't have that option, you would need to buy a new one, so that's not comparable.
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> The multiplayer services are independent and crossplay is an exception, that's what I think they were getting at. Being able to launch an executable from a different store doesn't matter if your copy uses Steamworks for multiplayer and the copy from the MS store doesn't support that. But that’s not the case from the games I’ve played unless you’re getting into hypotheticals. I’ve played on Xbox live with my cousins…
> But that’s not the case from the games I’ve played unless you’re getting into hypotheticals. No need for hypotheticals, Deep Rock Galactic [0] doesn't support play between the MS store and steam. Minecraft [1] has two versions that say they support cross play, except you can't play between the two (and depending on how you purchase the version you're playing, this is not clear, e.g. [2]). Marvel vs capcom Infinite…
Minecraft is inherently different here because they went for a re-write and chose to have two different "editions" of the game.
As for F1 and Age of empires, I play it with my cousins weekly - you're welcome to join us through live or steam (I'm UranicAlloy580 on xbox live). Links you posted are questions/troubleshoot from 1+ year ago.
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> So it's not just file a bug report, it's file a bug report and provide follow up information. As a programmer, that's fine, but what if my kids want to play minecraft with their friends? I’d say your kids pc doesn’t need docker on it. You can’t eat the cake and have it too. If you’re technically skilled to be using containers and virtualization, least you could do is file a helpful bug report.
So now my kids need a separate PC? I thought the point of this was that my PC could do everything?
And docker misconfiguration causing issues in unrelated services is one another reason why I'd suggest they have their own.
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Not all things are quite possible on a phone or as comfortable as you could do them on a PC (I couldn't imagine coding on a phone).
And things aren't always as comfortable on PC as they are on a console. I would much rather the streamlined experience and guaranteed compatibility of a console for playing games, in the same way you would rather a PC for coding over a phone.