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An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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It (helped) to solve one of the problems. Others remain, but it's a good first step.

Did it help? That's the question. We should have enough data to get preliminary results. I search Google news just about every day and all I can find is people patting themselves on the back for getting the rule changed, but nothing about whether the rule change has made a difference.

Here is betting we do not get any of the stories about how it failed to improve matters.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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The mayor of Long Beach makes >180k in pay and benefits: https://patch.com/california/longbeach-ca/long-beach-mayor-r...

He makes $143k + medical and pension. Those numbers are nutty, I know 22yos that make more than that.

But how much opportunity do they have for graft and corruption? Most of such money does not actually go through the mayor's bank account; instead, it is directed to people who then provide favors, e.g. employing his associates. Informal exchange of favors is the lifeblood of politicians.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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I've been tempted to pay someone to pour a concrete pad and buy a few to try and build a cabin on. With prices that low it's worth looking at.

Do careful research. Many have done that, but the negatives of containers for that purpose are rarely stated.

Building a cabin on top of containers would seem to resolve a lot of problems ascribed to building into containers.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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He makes $143k + medical and pension. Those numbers are nutty, I know 22yos that make more than that.

But how much opportunity do they have for graft and corruption? Most of such money does not actually go through the mayor's bank account; instead, it is directed to people who then provide favors, e.g. employing his associates. Informal exchange of favors is the lifeblood of politicians.

Maybe if we paid a decent salary, we wouldn't get the bottom feeders who are only in the job for grift and corruption opportunities.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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But how much opportunity do they have for graft and corruption? Most of such money does not actually go through the mayor's bank account; instead, it is directed to people who then provide favors, e.g. employing his associates. Informal exchange of favors is the lifeblood of politicians.

Maybe if we paid a decent salary, we wouldn't get the bottom feeders who are only in the job for grift and corruption opportunities.

You don't seem to be getting what motivates people to go into politics. They are not looking for ways to avoid involvement in corruption. The opportunity to be involved in the favors economy is most of the job's appeal. Paying them more would just cost more.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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But the CEO has a different level of understanding of logistics compared to the major. They may be looking at the same port, but they see different things. The CEO saw bottlenecks like Neo sees the Matrix

Why doesn't the mayor of a city with one of America's most important ports call in experts like this the second trouble started? It was this easy and he never bothered to ask the experts?

According to the Bloomberg article in the Wapo, the regulation was suspended by Long Beach's city manager, not its mayor.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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You appear to assume that the problem described is the problem faced. I bet we don't get a nice neat story about how changing stacking rules didn't actually solve the problem, and after a short time made it worse.

I completely agree. It is just too soon to tell. Moreover, this stacking rule won't change the port; it will change things in the City of Long Beach. I don't think it will make matters worse but I won't be surprised if it doesn't actually solve the problem. It just seems like a cheap+fast attempt at a solution which is good. There's a lot of narrative that's going into this discussion, an heroic visionary CEO, a bumb…

That seems to also be a disguised pitch against the proposed unrealized gains tax. Whether that tax is good or bad or has fixable problems, I don't know, but there was some clear self-interest going on in that tweet thread.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Why doesn't the mayor of a city with one of America's most important ports call in experts like this the second trouble started? It was this easy and he never bothered to ask the experts?

What interaction does the mayor (or the administration) of a city normally have with the ports? I mean, beyond keeping an eye on the wear to road surfaces of port traffic.

In this case, its a city operated port, so its different than a private port or one operated by a special purpose public agency outside of city government (but operation is, under the City Charter, in the hands of a Harbor Commission, so its under a special body within city government, so the Mayor, Council, and City Manager—the last holding the executive role lots of people associate with the title “mayor” because Long Beach is Council-Manager model not Strong Mayor model—have less direct role than might at first be assumed from “city operated port”.)

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Why doesn't the mayor of a city with one of America's most important ports call in experts like this the second trouble started? It was this easy and he never bothered to ask the experts?

This is inching close to the conclusion that mandatory expert panels are required for government to function. But then you go back to the problem of "who determines who are the experts". Point in case, the anti-vaccine politicians dredge up the 1 out of a 1000 doctors that spouts whatever fits their narrative. Lots o people die gasping for air unnecessarily as a result... And we have no idea how to begin to solve tha…

> This is inching close to the conclusion that mandatory expert panels are required for government to function.

Notionally, one would think that's what the existing Harbor Commission is.

Re: An unexpected victory: container stacking at the port of Los Angeles

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Unrelated to the trailer issue, but everyday we should thank our lucky stars that there's no such thing as "stupid private sector bureaucrats exerting their petty, ignorant power like the Gods they think they are."

You appear to be unfamiliar with the phenomenon of oil companies. Or power utilities. PGE is considered directly responsible for >$40B in fire damage in California.

PGE is considered directly responsible for >$40B in fire damage in California.

That (officially sanctioned) conclusion was in complete disregard of the state and federal gov’t contribution. But I would agree with you that it’s an example of similar phenomena. Probably not for the same reasons.

IMHO regulation, the phenomena of regulatory capture, and the implementation of regulatory compliance bureaucracy within PG&E resulted in private sector bureaucrats drunk on power imposing government-supported misfeasance with unintended consequence...With a organization like PG&E it’s difficult to discern the boundary between the state and the corporation. Modern government enthusiasts dream of ways to impose more perfect order using the power of government, not realizing the emergent imperfection is a consequence of such aggrandizement.

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