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It's not a single use zone if stores are allowed in it. The OP means that you need a car to get anything you need because the nearest store is 2 hours of walking away.
Ah, this is something I did not know. A residential area that allows no stores is really a weird, weird concept.
Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
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Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nope, the article specifically addresses your point: > consider college campuses and their central quads, which typically do not have automobiles even today. The ones people admire are the older ones, not the newer campuses, which tend to be functional but aesthetically mediocre
NotJustBikes and StrongTowns have addressed all of this. For just one of zillions of examples: https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2021/6/3/cognitive-comfo... Neither source just simplistically says "it's the fault of cars", both are deeply thought-out perspectives on what is really going on. It's not just cars, it's certain engineering and bureaucratic decisions that were made around cars. It's also the scale of dev…
If anyone is interested in what's being discussed here and in Strong Towns, I'd highly recommend reading it[0]. I had been a fan of Strong Towns for a long time, but just finally read the book recently.
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
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I often see urbanists and young people fantasize about life in car free mega cities. Having lived that life for years I can’t imagine why. A lot of cities that are beautiful and attractive also have room for cars. I would even argue it is a big part of what makes those cities attractive. There’s no substitute for the point to point on demand fast transportation that cars offer. In cities that aren’t overbuilt, it mak…
> I often see urbanists and young people fantasize about life in car free mega cities. Having lived that life for years I can’t imagine why. I for one simply don't want to pay the to own and maintain a car, preferring instead to rent one or purchase a ride (via taxi or rideshare etc) as needed.
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
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> 2. The dirty secret of car dependency is that most people (in the US) like being car dependent. In all but the densest largest cities, private vehicles are so much more convenient. Even in Manhattan there are a nontrivial number of people who cling to their cars. We recently moved from city center to a blue-collar suburb and it is notable to me how much of a car aficionado culture there is here! A lot of my neighbo…
I know a lot of guys and some gals who really love their cars. In a post-Communist country, people over 40 still connect car ownership with luxury, even though the economic situation is now different. But no one, no one loves the unavoidable traffic jams. So the thing about clinging to their cars is sort-of two faced.
I still love em though.
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
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I see, so people are in poverty because their houses are too big... Maybe you should check your privilege. Your 50% discretionary income is FAR from the norm. Median income is less than 45k (gross - this means before tax, etc) - than means 50% of the population earn LESS than that. 25% earn less than 24k. 10% earn less than $9k... These people cant afford a small house, let alone a big one...
Lol this is hacker news. I could care less what you think about my privilege. It's hilarious that you're assuming my so-called privledge when my family came to the USA with almost nothing. I'm not here to be your little social justice pawn while you make assumptions. Just to be clear so there's no ambiguity. I don't care about the poor in america. I seriously could care less. My entire family immigrated to the USA in…
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
> 2. The dirty secret of car dependency is that most people (in the US) like being car dependent. In all but the densest largest cities, private vehicles are so much more convenient. Even in Manhattan there are a nontrivial number of people who cling to their cars. We recently moved from city center to a blue-collar suburb and it is notable to me how much of a car aficionado culture there is here! A lot of my neighbo…
I know a lot of guys and some gals who really love their cars. In a post-Communist country, people over 40 still connect car ownership with luxury, even though the economic situation is now different. But no one, no one loves the unavoidable traffic jams. So the thing about clinging to their cars is sort-of two faced.
I don't understand this reasoning at all -- I find it quite irrational.
So let's remove that irrationality and instead talk about swimming pools.
You build a free public pool. More people will use it until it gets so crowded that it's not worth it to enjoy the pool. That means that the marginal swimmer will be indifferent as to the pool, but all the other swimmers will benefit from the pool -- that is a large amount of benefits.
Fun Fact: One reason why public pools are filled with kids rather than seniors is because kids don't care so much about things being crowded or privacy. We have a heterogeneous population with heterogeneous preferences.
So now we have a crowded swimming pool. Does that mean that "clinging" to the swimming pool is a bad idea, because it is so crowded? Is a bar bad because it is so crowded? Are those who attend the crowded bar "two-faced"?
Now let's say you decide to build a second swimming pool. Well, it becomes as crowded as the first. Does that mean that building more swimming pools provides no value to the community, because they are all crowded?
Some are willing to put up with a crowded pool more than others, and these will be the ones that crowd up the pool, making those with different trade-offs feel left out.
Much of the rationale behind things like congestion pricing is to make the world more palatable to those who have different trade-offs, specifically to those who place a higher value on their time/privacy/personal space than others. This often boils down to questions of class - but not always. For example someone that has to drive around to make housecalls values the road more than someone who can work from home or has a more flexible schedule.
Now going back to roads and cars. People will again use the road until the congestion makes it not worth it for the marginal user. The road offers a trade-off between mobility and time, just as the swimming pool's trade off of swimming versus privacy. As with swimming pools, this creates a situation where the roads are always too crowded for some, and these insist there is no point in building an additional road. But the same road provides a great benefit to others -- the actual users of the road who, by revealed preferences, prefer to use the road even though it is congested.
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lol this is hacker news. I could care less what you think about my privilege. It's hilarious that you're assuming my so-called privledge when my family came to the USA with almost nothing. I'm not here to be your little social justice pawn while you make assumptions. Just to be clear so there's no ambiguity. I don't care about the poor in america. I seriously could care less. My entire family immigrated to the USA in…
you are privileged.
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
#298Wow, what? IMO this article is way off the mark. Regulation is not preventing beautiful homes. There are three things probably most detracting from neighborhood beauty in America are: a lack of regulations, capitalism and materialism. All the places he lists as beautiful, especially in Europe have some of the most regulations regarding what you can build. A community design review, where a council literally has input…
> All the places he lists as beautiful, especially in Europe have some of the most regulations regarding what you can build. A community design review, where a council literally has input upon the visual design of your building is almost unheard of in America but is common in European countries. The closest you get in America is some CCNRs saying you can't have a metal roof or the like. Parts of Switzerland literally…
> BTW, I'm not saying one way or the other is the better way to do it.
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
> All the places he lists as beautiful, especially in Europe have some of the most regulations regarding what you can build. A community design review, where a council literally has input upon the visual design of your building is almost unheard of in America but is common in European countries. The closest you get in America is some CCNRs saying you can't have a metal roof or the like. Parts of Switzerland literally…
To quote myself, from above. > BTW, I'm not saying one way or the other is the better way to do it.
Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
you are privileged.
No one cares about your little opinions
Honestly, your lack of awareness is quite astounding - but it appears that you are overentitled as well as privileged, so that kind of makes sense.
Im sorry you care so much about my opinion.