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Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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They could just ask. I promise my answers will be more accurate than any AI guessing for me.

Exactly. There's no reason the "personlized" Daily Mixes can't be built/labeled to indicate "acaccuracy" rate. It annoys me when I'm in the mood for new or different - which is 60% of the time - and all the new Daily Mixes feel like the day / week before. I'd love a personalized playlist titled "Curveballs" that contined things different and/or challenging.

Funny you say that, because Pandora has that option

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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> Like Doobie Brothers followed by Nirvana. What's inherently comical about this? One of my least favorite experiences is having a radio station based on a song and getting nothing but songs that sound just like it. Unless you have only played 90s grunge or 70s soft rock I'm not sure why this juxtaposition is not considered a feature.

That example might be OK, but my daily mixes include "Weird Al, Nerdcore Comedy, and also Radiohead" and "60s/70s/80s Rock and also Broadway Show Tunes". The transitions are very bizarre.

I made the example up, but this is a better example of the phenomenon I was getting at.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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Crap like this is why, to this day, my collection is digital files, cds, vinyl and streaming only for radio - like pandora

The fact that Spotify doesn't optimise for discovery and recommendations is why you use physical media which has absolutely no mechanism for discovery and recommendation?

I didn't need Spotify for discovery when I was 15. Or 21. Or 30. I don't need it now.

Spotify can't even do a Playlist larger than 50 songs on shuffle. It's a garbage web app.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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I cancelled spotify recently when I had a guest in my car who proceeded to play all her favorite music on my account. I wanted to remove her music from my history so spotify would hopefully not recommend her music to me but there is no way to delete your history https://community.spotify.com/t5/Your-Library/2021-how-do-we... Account deleted. I know I'm not the norm but Spotify has never done a good job for me recomme…

I'm in a similar situation at the moment. Somehow Spotify has decided that I listened to a bunch of Hindu music a couple of months ago and now over 50% of my recommended playlists and podcasts are in that genre. Their refusal to let you delete history is just puzzling.

Sounds like your account was stolen and sold for premium status, possibly.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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> Skipping a song after less then 20 seconds for example can train a model as well as incorporating an explicit dislike button. How do you know I dislike the song? Instead, maybe I just heard it (or a similar song) on your platform or elsewhere outside of your app and don’t want to listen to it again right now? I guess you could try to build a more complex model that determines what songs or music I like at what time…

The paper is making an obvious claim. If I have data showing positive and negative affinity, that will perform better than a model which just has positive day. I don't find this very surprising but my point is in practice exposing dislike buttons to customers are a CX that is hardly ever used. So the point that a model will perform better with data that customer's rarely offer up to your platform makes their claim mo…

Maybe the button’s utility doesn’t come from its use, but from its presence. The user may enjoy having the option to dislike a song, even if they never exercise that option. Taking away their choice robs them of that agency.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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First, Spotify likes have been broken since forever, things you not liked end up as liked tracks. Second, it is obvious that the recommendations are mostly based on what you previously listen to. Hence, all parents are spammed with kids songs. I think they made a fix for that now though. People does not act according to there believes and I have a hard time thinking that votes would beat history when it comes to mass…

I am curious, what was the fix for parent's profile being spammed with kids songs? I hate to pay for a family plan just to maintain individual profiles when I never plan to listen on more than one device concurrently.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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You are exhibiting google's mistake, caused by over educated people with zero real experience thinking they know better. Or, I should correct that - some code they wrote knows better than the complex brain of the actual person. This results in "AI" (big if/then loop) trying to figure it out, and completely blocking any input from the customer. Here's the issue with "inferred from other activity." You know how you can…

I don't disagree with you but that last bit was quite unnecessary.

Some people get very, um, engaged with the universe of sound they wish to live in and have much stronger opinions about that than, say, world hunger. It directly impacts their experienced quality of life, and is one of the few cultural constants they retain over the course of their entire life. Lovers, employment, friends come and go but the music remains. I may be one of them myself. Profanity generally results when it is mucked around with. Count yourself lucky the opinion was expressed as mildly as it was.

I will not permit a company/algorithm to directly determine what I want to hear. I’m old enough to know about the Payola scams with radio DJs to trust anyone with that authority.

My solution: buy CDs or vinyl, find a group of like-minded friends to share music recommendations (email newsletters would work, perhaps even…physical interaction), read music journalism, buy music online and build your personal library. Just the music on my hard drive, all directly and legally purchased, would play continuously half a year without repeats.

I use/used the Apple iTunes others-have-bought recommendations for tracks related to tracks I’d purchase. Invaluable for discovering alternative artists by someone who is nowhere near the target age demographic for that sort of music. And you buy the flippin’ track and you know the artist/rights holder is directly getting a reasonable number of pennies from that transaction.

Worst case — buy CDs and get a CD changer. New ones are still being sold. You can still get the 300-400 CD units used. No fans are more rabid than classical music fans, and they are still ecstatically buying huge boxed sets of CDs. They are expecting to listen to these tracks for decades, and there is wisdom there.

Re: Dislike button would improve Spotify's recommendations

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So basically they’re developing a product marketed to streaming platforms to identify what’s “more attractive” to consumers. The algorithms are still optimized for increasing sales and engagement, not improving recommendations (for the user). That’s exactly why I’m unhappy with Spotify lately. I feel I’m being sold a bunch of corporate portfolios on what’s currently in vogue, and not just artistically but politically…

I just wish I could turn off fucking podcasts. I am a paying customer, I have been for years!

I podcast elsewhere, and am never going to switch to Spotify for it, just let me turn it off!

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