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Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by pxc » Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 3:35 PM UTC

mixmastamyk wrote: post #275

pxc wrote: post #206

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Can you explain that a bit?

I've written this comment several times, but it basically spams your system folders, mounts, daemons, and more. Integration is clumsy and poor. It doesn't give much ability to configure it either. Canonical just doesn't have the human-enginering chops/resources to polish all the rough edges. Sorta reminds me of docker, good ideas, middle-brow execution. Add in poor startup performance, and I removed it. Replaced Chro…

Just gave Snap another try last night and I was astonished at the slowness (both for package installation and program startup times)

can't really think of a single thing about the experience that I liked, and it even seemed bad compared to other container systems, like Docker and Flatpak

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Shadonototra » Sun, Oct 17, 2021, 7:47 PM UTC

xiaomai wrote: post #159

vladev wrote: post #36

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You'll be surprised, but it's RedHat that made most of that happen. A lot of the important Linux projects are developed mostly by them - Gnome, Wayland, NetworkManager, Pipewire, flatpak, etc. Ubuntu, on the other hand, seem to like to do many things their way. Like aggressive patching. I recall fontconfig being heavily patched from upstream. Then we have Mir (now almost abandoned), Unity (abandoned), snap (flatpak,…

The fontconfig patches are a big reason I stay with Ubuntu. Fonts look _so_ much better on Ubuntu than Arch/etc.

You can install their patched version of fontconfig on Arch

- https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fontconfig-ubuntu/

Then you can use their font config confs

Here is the list they are using: https://hastebin.com/fukibunuji.conf

Copy paste what you have in your ubuntu install, then believe me, fonts will look similar!

Make sure to also install the ubuntu font familly

https://archlinux.org/packages/community/any/ttf-ubuntu-font...

And set your font hinting to: slight

Screenshots:

https://i.imgur.com/lKgvBeG.png

Looks good even on YouTube with Dark Theme:

https://i.imgur.com/dohPxoL.png

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by u4346 » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 7:26 PM UTC

aborsy wrote: post #12

Over a decade of Ubuntu use, could not be happier! I remember in 2000s, I had to edit /etc/ text files to set up internet etc. Nowadays everything works out of box. All sorts of peripherals and hardware is recognized automatically. High quality free open source software is available for most stuff I need. The freedom to choose software and customize Linux, if required, is amazing! Am I missing anything ignoring close…

Kernel panic is also free.

I'm using Ubuntu for 7 years and I have to admit that more unstable system I can't find. No dist upgrade was successful for me, I don't have a week without something crashed, and right now I had to make downgrade of kernel in Ubuntu 21.10 just to boot the computer.

But I still can't shutdown or restart is safely because it crashes during the process of turning off.

I don't know why I'm here, in Linux land. All this is so pathetic I can't even describe it.

Servers on linux are cool, but desktop is a pain. Change my mind!

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by Aa9C4xPz43Gg7k6 » Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 10:58 PM UTC

md8z wrote: post #218

nextaccountic wrote: post #217

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Clipboard is consistently broken on Wayland. I don't use any XWayland application, it's all native Wayland. Sometimes when I copy things they don't paste, and I need to switch back to the original window for the copy to register. Or even copy again to be sure. This was never, ever a problem in more than 10 years using X11. But, fractional scaling is working like a charm on Gnome + Wayland (after a gsettings command).…

"Sometimes when I copy things they don't paste, and I need to switch back to the original window for the copy to register." I have honestly never had that problem in years of using GNOME Wayland, but I experienced it many times with misbehaved X11 apps. Maybe you want to come up with a reproducible test case and then report it? "Even GTK 4 supports only integer scaling. So for fractional scaling the compositor has to…

Lack of functional fractional scaling is what makes me want to switch to Windows or Windows+VM or Windows + ssh to compile.

Re: Ubuntu 21.10

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Post by eecc » Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:48 AM UTC

md8z wrote: post #277

eecc wrote: post #274

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Ah sorry... so the major issue is not with Wayland itself, but with the major toolkits that in 10+ years haven´t bothered or figured out how to transition away from a rasterized buffer model. Right. It doesn't matter if the fault is with GTK, Qt or the Wayland APIs not providing enough support for this to happen, sometime in the last 10 years. The problem is that it didn't. In the meantime I've been using MacOS that…

This isn't about vector graphics. There is always going to be a rasterized buffer, that's unavoidable. Even more so as apps are moving to newer rendering APIs like Vulkan and Metal. Apps doing custom rasterization is probably going to get even more common. The real issue there is what scale you do the rasterization at, because some things just cannot be expressed in terms of vectors. I believe Qt does support doing f…

Ok, let me rephrase. What I mean is - how I see it - that Apple just made the choice for every developer and gave them a conceptual model and tooling that does not depend on individual pixels or require them to make an extra effort in adoption (because you know how that goes.)

It baffles me that Linux is still stuck on this pixel grid that just hangs together at a specific density of 96dpi; something that harks back to the VGA days

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-gb/archive/blogs/fontblog/wher...