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Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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I looked it up for myself and found that different editors take different positions. To quote from one: "In some scholarly articles, you’ll find hyphenated Latin expressions (such as ex-post-facto research design or status-quo bias). Does that mean those journals’ editors or proofreaders did slapdash work? No. It’s not incorrect to hyphenate Latin phrases, but it’s unnecessary. However, some style guides may recommen…

Even that editor admits that no real style guide takes that position. And of course not, because it would make no sense. The hyphen accomplishes nothing in such a case. However, although you didn't cite your source, let's call it a tie. :)

Works for me. :-)

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Sorry I misread thinking you meant since it’s founding (until now), when has it been a welfare state. I was caught in a weak moment I guess.

I don’t quite understand your confusion - did you read his comment as “at any point since its founding [i.e. just not before 1776]”?

I basically read it as:

“Since it’s founding the US has never been a welfare state in any sense. Change my mind!”

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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I don’t quite understand your confusion - did you read his comment as “at any point since its founding [i.e. just not before 1776]”?

I basically read it as: “Since it’s founding the US has never been a welfare state in any sense. Change my mind!”

> One must keep in mind that the United States is and near or more always has been a welfare state.

> If one must keep that in mind, may one ask what definition of "welfare state" has applied to the USA since its founding?

The contention was definitely whether it has been a welfare state ever since its founding. No judgement though - the English language is terribly poorly designed, so I can totally understand how you read it that way.

Re: Tim Cook Faces Surprising Employee Unrest at Apple

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Tim Cook's salary is what we were talking about. So no. Please don't misstate your facts especially when the source you are citing was quite clear.

Only the most pedantic arsehole would assume that money given to someone doesn't count as 'salary'

Actually, if you bothered to look into this for more than two seconds, which you obviously didn't, you'd discover that Tim Cook has been receiving far less TOTAL compensation than all his peers, as well, for a long time now.

And that's without taking his performance into account, which is, of course, obviously the best performance by any CEO in the world.

So I'm pedantic and an asshole? Fuck that. Two can play at that game: you're a lazy jerk who paints sloppily with a broad brush.

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> Why not just hire the interpreter? The interpreter has a job already - it’s to interpret. If they wanted to be an Apple specialist I think they would have applied for that job. Interpreting and doing the job of an Apple specialist are not the same thing. It’s possible the interpreter would be a terrible Apple specialist. Why not just hire an interpreter? It’s a win-win-win: a deaf person had a job, an interpreter h…

> Why not just hire an interpreter? The message it sends is “you’re so incapable that we need to hire another person just to make up for your deficiencies”. And if it becomes a norm across the corporate world, companies will become even more reluctant to hire deaf people if they know that they are getting one employee for the price of two.

> The message it sends is “you’re so incapable that we need to hire another person just to make up for your deficiencies”.

It's my understanding the interpreter was requested. I don't think that's the message being sent here. The message would be more like "we comply with this reasonable and lawful request because it makes you, our valued employee of 6 years, even better at their job".

And you're not getting one employee for the price of two, you're getting one employee and a one assistant. Executives get assistants all the time and no one blinks an eye. What, are they so incapable of scheduling their days themselves?

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> Providing an iPad to type messages on is a reasonable accommodation Doesn't that make communication slower? When I want to buy something, I certainly don't want to start chatting on a tablet to get my point across. It seems like a poor choice of position for that employee.

It can be difficult to communicate this way but I think there is a social benefit to making the extra effort for people with disabilities. Often you don’t choose to be disabled. What if you were unlucky to be disabled? Would you like your opportunities to be thoroughly reduced in life? I try to make an effort because I could have been in that employee’s shoes. I am lucky… this is the least I can do.

How about ugly people? Certainly they don’t like to be limited in their opportunities to attract attractive people. Should the government pass laws to compensate them for this shortcoming? I stutter. Most of you people made fun of me or made me feel inadequate. The government didn’t do anything for me. Should some law be passed to compensate me for years of humiliation. How about women discarding me as a potential mate? Should I start a “Stutters Lives Matters” movement? What other human shortcomings that nature bestows upon us would you like the government to fix?

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> Cook is up there using all sorts of superlatives > keynotes get more typical and lacklustre Surely huge irony is not lost here

Each keynote is filled with superlatives. The product updates are lacklustre.

Ah I see the irony is still, indeed, lost.

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Do these device management tools extend to personal cell phones that have corporate software installed on them? For example, using a token that’s generated on the phone to log in to the corporate VPN while working remotely from home, would this give a company the same device management access?

It depends on what that corporate software is. Only a few of them skew towards real-time viewing of behavior. If what you’re referring to just generates a token that you then use to log onto a Vpn on a work device, that token generation is likely really limited in its access. The less like Google Auth, and the more like a custom solution the tool is, the more you have to think about device access you’re giving. I ope…

Thanks for the response. I am not familiar with either Google Auth of MDM. The token is installed with a suite of Microsoft apps such as Outlook and Teams.

I definitely assume work provided devices are logged and I've been told work provided cell phones are logged, but I don't know if that extends to personal devices. Of course best case would be to try and find out if there is a way to use an external token generator to keep work off a personal device.

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As the other commenters have mentioned, your "technical analysis" is very wrong here. I don't want to rehash the details that the others have mentioned about why you're wrong, but I do want to take a moment to say that what you've posted is pretty much perfectly embodies why many people hate "the orange site". It's these kind of faux-objective breakdowns that really hurt the site as a whole. I'm willing to believe th…

I appreciate your response and agree with what you have said. I cannot undo what I've said - it is clearly very incorrect. I would like to retract it. Do you have any recommendations for getting better at critical thinking? How can it be practiced in a way that doesn't get you banned when making mistakes? I really would like to avoid making these sorts of mistakes in the future.

The first, and possibly the most important part, of critical thinking is to recognize that you can't be right all the time, and embrace the instances where you're wrong as learning opportunities. I am glad to see that you seem to be pretty good at that already :)

Aside from that, I don't actually have anything concrete for you, unfortunately. What's worked for me is reflecting on my own biases and confidence in the information I am bringing to the conversation. In your case here it's clear that you started your comment with "I think this person is fake" and constructed a (tenuous) chain forwards to arrive there using assumptions rather than concrete information. We all do this to some extent, but specifically taking time to look for this kind of thing can help reduce the chances of it happening. Another skill you can learn (generally, by interacting with people you disagree with) is the ability to run your own devil's advocate on your comments. It sounds a bit strange to say it, but a lot of what I write gets much stronger pushback from myself before I even send it than it does once it's out for others to respond to.

As for practice, you can do this anytime you interact with anyone. As long as you are interacting in good faith, an open mind, and with genuine curiosity, people are unlikely to ban you. What you might want to keep in mind, however, is the context surrounding the conversation: getting something wrong about Java is regrettable, sure, but ultimately not a big deal. But outright calling someone a fraud is a pretty serious accusation, especially considering that certain groups of people are often more affected by this problem. When talking about real-life people, you should be very careful about the conclusions you draw and what their consequences may be.

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