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On YouTube’s recommendation system

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Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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All I want to know is why the damn home page keeps recommending videos I've already watched 100%. What is the point? E.g., https://i.imgur.com/nQHHVkO.jpg

I have experienced the same. I think the AI is basically told to feed more of the same content. No distinction is made between viewed, new, or related content.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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I suppose things aren't as expensive if you are a casual but I'm still surprised you can get 1k out of a pair of shoes. My mother also runs and is significantly lighter than myself and she gets shin splints if she doesn't change runners out at 500 miles. My current system is to run a pair of shoes for about 350 - 450 miles then downgrade them to a pair of walking shoes in till they fall apart. I started running fairl…

Yes, that sounds like it would add up! I feel like I would dissuade myself from going on a run if I had to get all that stuff ready. Even putting sunscreen on sometimes feels like a bummer.

The truth is that you don't. All that's required for almost any training run is a pair of shoes[*]. Everything else is an extra; it's up to you to decide whether each of those extras is worth carrying.

[*] That's true where I live (northern Europe) for pretty much all of my runs up to ~20km. In hotter or sunnier climates it may be necessary to carry water for shorter runs and/or put on sunscreen.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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When you select not interested, it gives the option of saying it's either because you already watched the video or that you don't like the channel. I don't know quite why they keep recommending videos I've watched recently, but at least telling YouTube I've seen a video (...) prevents it from spamming my recommendations.

> I don't know quite why they keep recommending videos I've watched recently You probably don't have kids.

That, and music videos.

Though it feels like both scenarios should be pretty easy to handle algorithmically.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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The reccomendation system is absolutely dangerous. Just this summer, I watched one video on peppers out of curiousity. By the end of summer I've got multiple different varieties growing, and all the accessories to support them. I'm really enjoying my garden, but it's very unlikely I would have started one without the youtube algorithm. Similarly my doctor reccomended I exercise more, so I started running. Then I goog…

On a more serious side, I searched for a 20s video of a funny gaffe by the President of my country, and immediately my feed was flooded by videos from the local right-populist party's fake news propaganda channel. It's that easy for an unwary person just out to watch a funny video to become exposed to a torrent of bullshit. Anecdotally (n=1, I know), I watch/listen to a lot of leftist lectures and speeches and my fee…

I watched "Triumph of will" once. The youtube started to push on me nazi apologists, holocaust did not happen conspiracy theorists and what not. And for some reason, gaming videos. It was seriously disturbing. I watched that movie because I read about it in a book.

Now they removed movie and left there only very bad unwatchable commentary of it. Let's pretend it solves the problem.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#296

Be careful with YouTube. For years people have talked about social media's effect on mental health, but personally, I've found the biggest hit to be YouTube. Their recommendation system is really the heart of the beast. It's essentially a dopamine reward system, not too dissimilar from a slot machine at a casino. Pull the lever (refresh the page) and get random results! It sucks you in to a cycle of refreshing, findi…

YouTube is weird, it seems to be so incredibly different, depending on the user.

I get what you're saying about the reward system, but I normally run out of content I want to watch and recommendation engine isn't really suggesting anything interesting. That's after watching a few videos every other evening.

There's a few channels I subscribe to, and I do regular clean up, like twice a year, and remove the subscriptions I'm no longer interested in. YouTube mostly shows me the new videos from those channels an a few similar videos and then kinda gives up.

Two thing I would not recommend is using YouTube without a subscription and be sure to log in. The default videos on the front page are all terribly, and the ads are amazingly bad. In regards to the ads, I think that people in smaller markets are a problem for YouTube. They simply don't have enough ads so they can't actually target them in any meaningful sense.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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I fell into a massive YouTube recommendation vortex two 1/2 years ago when my barista basically insisted I take all his Cafe's coffee grounds home and compost them. I had no idea how to compost (he was sick of telling customers it was going into landfill. every. single. day). I now have over 20kg's of worms spread over 30+ worm bins and I'm taking organic residue from all over the district and turning it into valuabl…

Why did you leave? Money or fulfillment?

Fulfilment definitely... hopefully the money will follow. I think it will.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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"Think about how hard it would be to navigate all of the books in a massive library without the help of librarians."

According to the blog post, YouTube is just like a public library. Nevermind the absolute absurdity of comparing reading books belonging a large library to watching YouTube videos. Its strange because I never remember walking into a large library and being tracked every where I went and accosted by librarians trying to "recommend" books to me. I remember searching the catalog without any interference. I rememeber going to the stacks to retrieve books and then discovering other books nearby because the stacks were organised according to a public standard, not according to a secret algorithm. I remember checking out books so I could read them outside the library, wherever I want to read them, in private. (I download YouTube videos as opposed to using Google's Javascript "video player".)

This blog author wants readers to believe going to a library and finding books is "hard". I dont remember it that way. Not every patron who visits a library asks a librarian for assistance. YouTube doesnt give anyone a choice to be left alone. Theres a "librarian" looking over your shoulder the entire time. The amount of telemetry and tracking while using the website is totally unnecessary.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

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post #11

The reccomendation system is absolutely dangerous. Just this summer, I watched one video on peppers out of curiousity. By the end of summer I've got multiple different varieties growing, and all the accessories to support them. I'm really enjoying my garden, but it's very unlikely I would have started one without the youtube algorithm. Similarly my doctor reccomended I exercise more, so I started running. Then I goog…

I have the same problem. We watched the videos about those 13 Thai kids that were stuck in a cave. Since then, YouTube has assumed that I'm into cave diving and mountclimbing, so my feed has filled up with videos of related topics. I've never cave dived, never will, and mountain climbing makes my palms sweaty.

But all of that pales in comparison to their Tik-Tok clone attempt of short videos. Talk about "chum"! They're clearly highly optimised to pull people in and get them hooked.

Luckily, I know digital drugs when I see them. I was one of those freaky people that could recognise the "hooks" in games like World of Warcraft and simply stop playing before the "endgame" mechanics sucked your life down the drain just so that Blizzard can get their recurring revenue.

Seems like this data driven optimisation for addicting people to low-quality content is the mental opiod epidemic of the current era...

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