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Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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Care to provide a source for this?
>Google removed the app in Russia under pressure after officials threatened to imprison its local employees, a person close to the company said, speaking on condition of anonymity. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-16/russia-ta... >Google removed the app Friday morning after the Russian authorities issued a direct threat of criminal prosecution against the company’s staff in the country, naming specific…
Incredible and horrifying at the same time. I think this is the final nail in the coffin for foreign investment in Russia.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except that by this point, all this is expected behaviour. If companies don't want to be complicit in these crimes, they need to extricate themselves from the country and cut all ties. If they do want to put profit ahead of everything else, then whatever, but you don't get to defend them as doing the right thing for their employees. They're enabling the whole situation. [Edit to bring in a sister question] "Why don't…
* If companies don't want to be complicit in these crimes, they need to extricate themselves from the country and cut all ties. You live in a quite simple world, no?
The simple part is not being able to wash away actions when they choose to be in the situation, and do worse elsewhere. Google, Apple, Facebook, etc are not in this for the moral benefit of mankind, they're here to make a buck.
That much is simple.
Actually putting things right is more complex, but almost complete inaction isn't good enough.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pull out of the countries then. Participating in dictatorship is barely better than refusing to do so if that dictatorship will falsely imprison your employees.
> Pull out of the countries then. Then why Apple hasn't pulled out of China? Like 2 decades ago? China was always a brutal dictatorship. Why would they pull out of anything? These company profit from bloody dictatorships, like the rest of the western economy. But somehow when it's about Russia it's a problem? The hypocrisy in the west must stop. The west and it's industry never stood for freedom abroad since it decid…
I know you are the pro-Russia person, but the pro-China people say the same things when folks like me consistently criticize large companies and celebrities for the same reason.
Please assume good faith here.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#295If people had been wiser, you could call out the removal of people from platforms. That ship has sailed because people weren't wise...
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point was purely about elections, and that elections only matter if you have a reasonable amount of choice. You're arguing about something completely different.
My arguing is exactly about that! You can't name something as "elections" when ~~a huge~~ any part of country's people not just don't have a political representative at all, but gets actively counteracted to have such representative.
What is "a huge any part"? Looks like too many determiners to me, so I'm not sure what you're saying there.
> don't have a political representative at all
That doesn't make a lot of sense, unless you live in a place like Puerto Rico. I'm not sure if Russia has similar places, but I assume it doesn't.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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The actual problem is not that Apple removed the app. It's that there is no other way to install the app if Apple removes it from their store.
I can't imagine how such an app could be in any way complicated. Why is it not just a website?
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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In their defence (I say this with some trepidation), if they want to see their products in another country, then they need to play by that countries rules. Regardless of how we in the west feel about those rules. If a Chinese company came to the US or EU and ignored US or EU rules and lawful directives from government, we would quite rightly be up in arms about that. With regards to CSAM, I think the same applies. Af…
> With regards to CSAM, I think the same applies. After all the CSAM issue only exists because the US government has decided that invasive monitoring is the only way to counter CSAM. No it hasn't. There is no legislation that the government passed or enforces that says Apple must scan people's private data on their devices for CSAM. Apple decided to do that all on their own.
The specific approach isn't in law. But the requirement to scan photos stored in the cloud is.
On this specific point I think reasonable to believe that Apple want to E2E iCloud photos, and their stated approach to CSAM is how they'll achieve E2E iCloud photos, while remaining compliant with the requirement to scan for CSAM they might be hosting.
Now there's a very strong argument to be made that Apple have made an appalling trade-off here, prioritising E2E over not doing on device scanning. But it's a trade-off that's only happened due to the requirement for CSAM scanning.
An interesting approach Apple could take, is apply E2E iCloud photos in Europe, and continue with on server scanning (and no E2E) for the US.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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To an extent they do but they've refused to implement a lot of important features in iOS safari that are needed for fully capable PWAs.
Which features? getUserMedia is now supported in WebViews, so one can build, for instance, a FaceTime competitor that runs on Chrome on iOS, where it wasn't possible a few months ago. But the Fullscreen API still isn't supported, a blow to the web-based FT competitor. What else?
Push notifications are impossible on iOS PWAs. Basically takes out a big chunk of possible apps you could build on this, no one wants e.g. a messenger that can't notify you when you get a message.
Re: Google, Apple remove Navalny app from stores as Russian elections begin
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To an extent they do but they've refused to implement a lot of important features in iOS safari that are needed for fully capable PWAs.
Which features? getUserMedia is now supported in WebViews, so one can build, for instance, a FaceTime competitor that runs on Chrome on iOS, where it wasn't possible a few months ago. But the Fullscreen API still isn't supported, a blow to the web-based FT competitor. What else?
Not a feature per se, but being in the process of building a PWA for iOS with access to the camera, the fact that the authorization dialog pops up every time the app is opened (meaning that the permission is not saved even if the PWA has not been modified) looks like a deliberate attempt to make this technology not truly viable, because it really provides terrible UX.