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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by tantalor »

radicalbyte wrote: post #239
altacc wrote: post #159

Hearing "Exclusively on Spotify" on any podcast ad is a sure-fire way to make sure I never listen to an episode. One of the great features of podcasts is the flexibility in listening platform and I'd really rather not switch to Spotify's substandard user experience.

I subscribe to Spotify but I dropped Rogan when he left. I have all my other podcasts in one app, listening history and all. Now I have to drop that because Spotify want to play monopoly? S** that.

Scratching my head what "S**" means

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Post by russdpale »

indy wrote: post #81
bb123 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does memoryholing mean?

Some episodes are no longer available, as if Spotify wants everyone to forget that they even exist. Episodes featuring Milo Yiannopoulos, Alex Jones etc. In other words, guests that offend the progressive attitudes of Silicon Valley

Yeh LOL sandy hook denial is for progressive silicon Valley types who aren't progressive. Maybe Spotify doesn't want to be the 'dive bar' of web platforms.

If you aren't offended by Alex Jones you got deeper issues, or perhaps are just ignorant to his white nationalist messaging.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by noveltyaccount »

kbenson wrote: post #121
topspin wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"This seemed like the obvious trap he was going to fall into." He cashed in before his expiration date. Brilliant move.

He was given $100 million dollars up front to crash before his expiration date. Yes, that is a brilliant move.

wow, I never heard that figure, that is staggering IMO, I've never understood why Joe was famous, never got his appeal. Per WSJ, "The deal with Mr. Rogan is a multiyear licensing agreement for an amount of time that couldn’t be learned. It will likely be worth more than $100 million based on milestones and performance metrics, according to the person familiar." Wonder what those milestones are like and how important they are to Joe. https://www.wsj.com/articles/spotify-strikes-exclusive-podca...

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Post by Bud »

timr wrote: post #203
valine wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Giving a platform to crackpots isn't always dangerous, but in the case of vaccines it's a public health concern. It's definitely not a good idea to give legitimacy to antivaxers during a pandemic when people dying. Save that conversation for another time.

I am a free speech absolutist. The answer to speech you don't like is more speech, not censorship.

Please don't spread confusion about what "free speech" means. I'm sure you are not actually confused about this, so please do not pretend to be.

Having some people not appear on a given podcast is not a "free speech" issue. Choosing to not be a dangerous idiot by having dangerous idiots on your show during a pandemic is not "censorship" or anything remotely close to censorship as it is commonly, and correctly, understood.

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Post by ds206 »

Bud wrote: post #266
nradov wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're asking a professional comedian to be more serious? Are you actually serious or is that a joke?

Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic. Plus, that's simply not very funny. By the way, GP did not say "be more serious", as you likely know. They said he should take his enormous reach more seriously.

"Being a comedian does not magically relieve a person from their responsibility to not credulously spread around dangerous pseudoscience during a pandemic."

Yeah, I think it does. Has he been cancelled? Nope. Does he stop making jokes about almost anything? Nope. Do you listen to his podcast? Nope.

You know how he became so popular? From talking and being open minded. That's _all_ he does. He ain't doing it to be an influencer yet "journalists" actually waste time writing articles like this. I guess the haters need something to read too?

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Post by engineer_22 »

complianceowl wrote: post #123
xutopia wrote: post #48

To be fair... his move to Spotify coincided with him spewing more and more anti-vax and anti-mask drivel that I don't have any interest in listening to.

All of us are right and wrong to varying degrees. I don't think Joe Rogan cares much for people that stop listening because he doesn't reinforce their politics. He never has. He's also spoken about the whole point of him having FU money is that he is able to say whatever he wants and not care about the blowback. I'm not anti-vax, but ultimately, my body, my choice. People who are risk averse are free to self-quaranti…

->ride motorcycles, combat sports, or eat homegrown food.

What an interesting choice of examples.... Can't help but thinking one of these things is not like the others.

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Post by notRobot »

jdprgm wrote: post #175

It's been frustrating watching the Spotify (and general movement) with podcasts fragmenting and going exclusive. Spotify won with music because it improved upon the existing state of listening to music and offered a free or cheap solution that was even a compelling alternative to piracy. Podcasts for the most part were in the ideal state for consumers, almost always free and mostly client independent distributed w/ R…

Spotify sucks on Android too - so idk what they think they're doing. I think iOS (specifically just iPhone) is the only place where they appear to work on improving their app.

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Post by cylinder714 »

eplanit wrote: post #93
daughart wrote: post #15

Just like Howard Stern (note, SiriusXM also owns Spotify). They traded a broader audience and greater influence for stability and gigantic paychecks. E.g., in Howard's case, even though his personal influence shrunk, his importance to Sirius/Spotify grew as a fraction of the subscriber base is dedicated to one talent and would otherwise unsubscribe. Howard's deal has been renewed a number of times now. I can't blame…

Stern tried to adapt, and with a degree of success. He came from the "Shock Jock", Andrew Dice Clay era, but shifted in recent years to become much softer and "woke".

emacsen/Serge Wroclawski's piece, "Stern Fan In Recovery," touches on this and the abuse his employees deal with: https://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2021/07/03/stern-fan-in-recove...

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Post by 0xy »

arodgers_la wrote: post #188

Comedian Bill Burr said it best: "I'm not gonna sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, with an American flag behind you smoking a cigar acting like we know what's up better than the CDC." [0] That quote is Joe Rogan's shtick in a nutshell. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=tSKVXl-WnrA&t=5m20s

The CDC has repeatedly made misleading statements though.

In particular, the CDC recommended against the use of masks early in the pandemic, which may have caused many thousands of cases and deaths.

More recently, they've been wishy-washy on masks again. Backflipping repeatedly on whether vaccinated individuals should wear masks.

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