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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#291

Standalone user for about a decade now. I find this incredibly disappointing. I don’t mind paying a subscription fee if that’s what makes the business work and allows continuous updates. But either they give us a self-hosted option or I’m done with 1password. Keeping my passwords in someone else’s cloud is a red line for me.

If you're actually interested in a self-host option I implore you to fill this survey out for them:

https://survey.1password.com/self-host/

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#293
post #51

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster developm…

This would be an appropriate riposte to [1], a vitriolic comment that draws the line between VC money and Electron, but not to parent.

Parent makes a lot of sense, actually, in context of the submission headline. There was no misinformation here at all.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28145755

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

> Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0.

What is the competition that costs $0? Bitwarden is $3.33/mo for equivalent functionality to the $4.99/mo plan from 1Password.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#295
post #195

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

When I was 18, I wrote some shareware and asked for $10 from those who used and liked the program. Lots of nice people from all over the planet sent in some money, and sometimes with letters. Most often it was a thank you note. Sometimes people requested more features in return for paying the requested amount. And occasionally they'd tack on whatever extra they thought those features were worth to them. (That amount…

Subscription models make sense for something that needs to stay evergreen.

Why does a password manager need a subscription? My password should never touch a 3rd party’s server, I don’t need extra features, I don’t need a login, I don’t need long-term or even short-term support.

What ongoing development does a password manager have? Is it that buggy from the get-go to need constant updates?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#296
post #51

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

Hi. I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. First of all, our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a single Rust-powered core that could be shared across all our apps. This has many advantages: feature consistency across platforms, faster developm…

But how can you justify removing the ability to have a local vault?

Why would anyone think for a second that it would be a good idea to force people to store every password for everything in their life in your cloud without an opt out?

That, even more than Electron and the subscription model (both which do bother me), is an absolutely deal breaker. I've paid for every version of 1Password since v3 in 2009, but I'm done with it now.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#297
Like many others this feels bad to me. I was previously forced to upgrade to 7 so the Chrome extension worked and as a result purchased (again!) separate Windows and Mac desktop licenses. In trying to navigate the site to find out how to buy a desktop only client I encountered the multiple dark patterns to make this nearly impossible. It is no wonder that “97% of people prefer the subscription” since standalone was basically hidden. I love the product experience 1Password provides, I simply prefer managing my own vault (via Dropbox). Based on feedback here I’m going to evaluate Bitwarden. Sigh.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#298

I am a big fan of 1password. I was very unhappy with the transition to subscription only, and tried bitwarden. After months of futzing around with it, I went back to 1password. I did so after reviewing their audit results, awhat they documented about their architecture, and after they added great support for Linux. At the end of the day, not everything is a conspiracy - and their model appears to be incredibly secure…

Please, if you haven't already, fill out this 1Password survey. They are considering self-hosted vaults but want more data on who/how it would be used:

https://survey.1password.com/self-host/

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#300

Well this is the end of the road for me with 1password. I refuse to use anything that doesn't have a local vault. The potential damage if my vault is somehow is accessed is too high, if the vault is stored in the cloud, how can I verify that no one can access it? In that case I have to give access to this app with little snitch since it relies on internet access which means that if I received an update that would dis…

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