WhatsApp lead and other tech experts fire back at Apple’s Child Safety plan

Post by jdavis703 » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 9:05 PM UTC

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> Because once that functionality is there it affects everyone, not just in the US. The functionality to detect CSAM uploaded to Apple’s servers or sent to pre-teens? > And it basically means we sell out our democratic principles What democratic principle is being sold out?

The right to secret communication. The right of not being under surveillance. The government cannot open letters without a warrant, but somehow Apple, Google, MS and co can sniff through electronic communication as they see fit because of a clause in an EULA. No idea how came there, but maybe the days when Stasi surveillance was the poster child of government intrusion into private life are too long gone to be rememb…

Post by jraph » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 9:10 PM UTC

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>phone with facebook app preinstalled and unremovable I've never used a phone like this, but are you also forced to provide FB credentials during initial setup? If not, then is the FB app just being installed a privacy threat if it is never used? Is it still accessing information on the phone without being tied directly to you?

I have had a phone that had a Facebook application preinstalled, and prevented removal of said application. Setting up the phone did not require FB credentials. I would be worried that even without logging into Facebook or giving it my credentials, my FB-ized phone would help FB's efforts in creating and maintaining shadow profiles. As far as I'm concerned, since the FB app is tied into the OS so tightly that it cann…

Post by JackGreyhat » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

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This reads like a pre-prepared rant. > It's definitely the last straw for me in terms of apple products. Uhh and where else will you go where the grass is so much rosier privacy-wise?

Pixel4 with LineageOS (Non google apps) F-Droid and Nextcloud for Backup and sync....grass is rosy for me ;)

Post by JackGreyhat » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 9:17 PM UTC

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iOS has been running complex Neural Nets on all your images for years now. It powers all their social features and search. Apple have always had the capability, and have been advertising it as central selling point of new versions of iOS for years. That ship sailed along time ago.

Neural Net might be overkill as an example. Antivirus software has existed since 1980s[1]. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antivirus_software

Post by sharken » Mon, Aug 09, 2021, 9:20 PM UTC

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> Yet. Once it's on the device, it's a MUCH smaller step to use it in other ways We crossed this bridge a long time ago. Apple already has on device Neural Nets processing everyone one of your on device photos. That’s what powers spotlight search and “photo memories”. Simple fact of the matter is that this isn’t the top of some slippery slope, it’s half way down one. A slope we started down when we figured out how to…

The key difference, of course, is that when the neural network classifies certain types of content, it doesn't forward it to a centralized server "for review"