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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by calvin_ »

megous wrote: post #154
realusername wrote: post #133

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When now you have banks & governement apps, I'd say that falls down under the definition of required / public infrastructure.

The only thing I wasn't able to do without so far is SMS 2nd factor. Dumbphone is enough for that. I don't mind if banks/govs require use of some protocol. But forcing use of specific apps goes against past achievements to make public institutions use open formats and protocols, so I reject that where possible, or complain. It should not be acceptable. I still remember times when people had to pirate MS office to be…

Most of these apps are just dipping mustards around HOTP/TOTP, so it's a standard protocol. There's an ecosystem of standard applications around it; Twilio, Microsoft, and Google all make pretty popular ones.

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Post by bpye »

lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #287
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

I am very happy with my current setup after flashing my new One Plus 9 Pro with LineageOS for microG ( https://lineage.microg.org/ ). It's LineageOS with application spoofing and comes pre-baked with microG. I'm able to use all the standard apps (Uber, games, etc) without a Google account. I use Aurora instead of the Google Play Store, local maps as my GPS back-end, and my phone only contains the apps I actually used…

I’ve tried that path before but SafetyNet makes it hard. I can’t use my banking app for example, and for better or for worse, I wouldn’t be able to access my work email either.

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Post by orangecat »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #157
flohofwoe wrote: post #141

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This only started with the iPhone. Apple has been around much longer and was a regular computer company before which treated their users like adults.

Imagine for a moment you're an Apple exec who gets to see real usage numbers and revenue numbers per platform and is on board with the current company belief system. You see MacOS devices completely dwarfed in both users and profit per user by iOS devices. As that executive, who keep in mind probably doesn't share your opinions on open technology or they would never have got into that position. What decisions would y…

Exactly. Apple executives threw macOS under the bus in the Epic trial, saying that its capability to run arbitrary software makes it unacceptably insecure (e.g. https://www.theverge.com/2021/5/19/22444353/mac-malware-not-...). It shouldn't surprise anyone if a future macOS version requires a paid developer certificate to run unapproved apps or access the Unix layer.

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Post by 8ytecoder »

speedgoose wrote: post #274
arvinsim wrote: post #253

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Ironically, it's Apple themselves with the M1 laptops that make the iPad case much less appealing. The laptop can do everything that the iPad can do except being a touchscreen device.

The lack of a touchscreen and a tablet mode on the m1 MacBook is a major downside though. A lot of apps are more user friendly on the iPad too.

Agreed. The iPad is leaps and bounds better for casual device use during travel - reading, movies, music, emails, browsing, social media and some casual document editing works just fine on the iPad. Except for the development environment, I don't need to reach for a laptop at all. I can even read code via the Github app.

So, unless I know I have to write code, I don't carry my laptop anymore. 10 years (or even 5 years ago), this was unthinkable for me.

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Post by heavyset_go »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #242
endisneigh wrote: post #237

Build web apps and free yourself from the tyranny of closed ecosystems. It's Closed vs. Open. Only the web is open. 99% of apps on both the Play Store and App Store could be implemented as web apps with no loss in functionality - in fact a very large chunk of them are web apps, simply wrapped in a web view.

Users want a local app for no real reason, as evidenced by the thousands of apps that are nothing but a wrapper around a web application.

If the users want native notifications, which most do, then developers have no choice but to release a native app because Apple purposely doesn't implement web standards on iOS that make web apps and PWAs usable.

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Post by 8ytecoder »

alerighi wrote: post #239
ubermonkey wrote: post #197

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Your bias is showing, as is your blinkered view of what's possible on an iPad. For many, many people, the iPad absolutely DOES replace having a traditional computer. The prediction came true. I rarely bother traveling with a laptop anymore unless I need to present or run demos. My iPad pro + the fancy keyboard case gives me insane portability and battery life plus access to all my files (via Dropbox), native Office,…

To me a PC is a device that runs whatever software you need, and that you can program to do the stuff that you need. iOS imposes limitations on that, you cannot run third party applications that are not on the store, you can't write your own programs or scripts, or you can with 100 limitations that makes it in practice impossible to do so. And I'm not talking about the hardware, it's powerful, probably more powerful…

It's a very small cohort of people that want to do "whatever they want". Most people do productive stuff within the bounds of what's possible in an iPad - I mean Office/Outlook, Social Media, a full fledged browser with most websites supporting mobile mode now, reading apps, video/entertainment apps, games, social media apps, even corporate vpn apps are readily available. My dev environment is the only one I know of that I have to absolutely have a laptop for.

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Post by only_as_i_fall »

lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #287
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

I am very happy with my current setup after flashing my new One Plus 9 Pro with LineageOS for microG ( https://lineage.microg.org/ ). It's LineageOS with application spoofing and comes pre-baked with microG. I'm able to use all the standard apps (Uber, games, etc) without a Google account. I use Aurora instead of the Google Play Store, local maps as my GPS back-end, and my phone only contains the apps I actually used…

It has to be rooted though right?

Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

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Post by neurostimulant »

only_as_i_fall wrote: post #297
lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very happy with my current setup after flashing my new One Plus 9 Pro with LineageOS for microG ( https://lineage.microg.org/ ). It's LineageOS with application spoofing and comes pre-baked with microG. I'm able to use all the standard apps (Uber, games, etc) without a Google account. I use Aurora instead of the Google Play Store, local maps as my GPS back-end, and my phone only contains the apps I actually used…

It has to be rooted though right? Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

You should be able to install custom rom like lineageos without rooting as long as you got the bootloader unlocked.

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Post by EvanDotPro »

bpye wrote: post #292
lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very happy with my current setup after flashing my new One Plus 9 Pro with LineageOS for microG ( https://lineage.microg.org/ ). It's LineageOS with application spoofing and comes pre-baked with microG. I'm able to use all the standard apps (Uber, games, etc) without a Google account. I use Aurora instead of the Google Play Store, local maps as my GPS back-end, and my phone only contains the apps I actually used…

I’ve tried that path before but SafetyNet makes it hard. I can’t use my banking app for example, and for better or for worse, I wouldn’t be able to access my work email either.

I haven't looked in a while, but last time I checked, Magisk had a SafetyNet bypass. It's a cat and mouse game of course, but when I was using it, Magisk stayed ahead of Google 90%+ of the time.

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Post by quattrofan »

only_as_i_fall wrote: post #297
lilboiluvr69 wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am very happy with my current setup after flashing my new One Plus 9 Pro with LineageOS for microG ( https://lineage.microg.org/ ). It's LineageOS with application spoofing and comes pre-baked with microG. I'm able to use all the standard apps (Uber, games, etc) without a Google account. I use Aurora instead of the Google Play Store, local maps as my GPS back-end, and my phone only contains the apps I actually used…

It has to be rooted though right? Pretty sure that's a non-starter for anyone who needs to use their phone for work, which is more people than you would think now that so many office workers are remote.

Then your company should supply you with a phone if you request it.
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