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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by _carbyau_ »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #188
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem I agree. It shouldn’t be illegal.

By that reasoning, sex workers should be able to operate from any home too. Or carpenters. Or mechanics. Or pubs. Or concerts...

There is a reason zoning exists.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by alex_smart »

millimeterman wrote: post #272
sobellian wrote: post #36

This paper has some big flaws. See https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/olwous for an in-depth critique.

/r/badeconomics is a shockingly sane place considering the sad state of most of Reddit (and HN for that matter). It always disappoints me to see how many people have extremely strong opinions on topics they know nothing about.

On the other hand, this thread was for me suprisingly "reddit-like". A poor quality article with a provocative title with heavily upvotes followed by a bunch of comments simply talking about the title based on their own personal experiences rather than anything in the article. True to form, this was even a repost.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by forrestthewoods »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #291
forrestthewoods wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem I agree. It shouldn’t be illegal.

By that reasoning, sex workers should be able to operate from any home too. Or carpenters. Or mechanics. Or pubs. Or concerts... There is a reason zoning exists.

> By that reasoning

No! Bad! Stop that!!

The fact that I think some currently illegal things should be legal is not evidence that anything and everything should be legal.

Similarly the fact that some things are made illegal is not automatic evidence or reasoning that another, different thing should also be illegal.

Different things are different. The reasons why one thing should be legal or illegal may or may not apply to a different thing.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by laurent92 »

joshuahaglund wrote: post #201
Pet_Ant wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like Uber? They violated… and people would be pissed to see them go. So companies hope to be the rule breaker that gets too big to fail.

People like Uber because it's cheaper than taxis but I'm hearing complaints that prices are up. Seems the reason it's cheaper than taxis is Uber is subsidizing with investor money and they shifted costs to the drivers, many who are realizing it's not worth it. Seems to me Uber has always been unsustainable (they're billions in the red, spending to capture market share) but they were hoping to have self driving cars t…

I think people take Uber because the price is known in advance. Taxis were considered the biggest theft profession of the world (excluding politicians) because they relied on extremely nasty techniques, such as threats, misconfiguring the counter, letting it run between clients, in Mexico abducting people as part of racket networks, using the wrong route, pretending there is a station charge and, last but not least, using law and local police against the customer. It’s sad that Uber has lower prices, because I would have liked to see a real match, I think everyone is happy to see taxis go bankrupt and another system with a reputation framework.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by lordnacho »

_carbyau_ wrote: post #291
forrestthewoods wrote: post #188

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem I agree. It shouldn’t be illegal.

By that reasoning, sex workers should be able to operate from any home too. Or carpenters. Or mechanics. Or pubs. Or concerts... There is a reason zoning exists.

As always it's a matter of judgement which businesses are ok and which are a nuisance.

Any number of desk job type businesses would not worry me much. Strip joints tend to be open late at night and have lots of traffic, so that's the other end of the spectrum.

AirBnB for me is not necessarily at the desk job end but they're also not at the strip joint end. I think it's up for debate.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by elzbardico »

908B64B197 wrote: post #259
michaelmrose wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Allowing landlords to buy up housing supply to rent by the day drives up prices for the 90% who need a house to live in them not profit from them. It's disadvagous for society to allow it. Society doesn't have to let you live your life at everyone else's expense. If I had to guess the down votes are either for lack of awareness, facile dismissal, supreme self confidence not matched by good grasp of the topic or the o…

> Allowing landlords to buy up housing supply to rent by the day drives up prices for the 90% who need a house to live in them not profit from them Notice how the conversation is always about a limited supply; never about how the cities could remove barriers for larger, denser constructions. Wonder why that is.

Maybe because not everyone is interested in living like an animal in crowded apartments?

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Post by beckman466 »

alejohausner wrote: post #200
michaelpb wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I think people have a very binary view of "criminal enterprises" vs "corporations", like they can only be people who dress in pin-stripe suits and carry tommy guns and say "lookee here, see" a lot, but a tech company can be a criminal enterprise just as much as anything else. Any company that makes money by violating the law, or encouraging it's habitual violation, is a criminal enterprise by definition (at lea…

A criminal is a person with predatory instincts without sufficient capital to form a corporation. Howard Scott

> A criminal is a person with predatory instincts without sufficient capital to form a corporation.

That definition is much too kind to corporations.

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Post by imtringued »

joshuahaglund wrote: post #201
Pet_Ant wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean like Uber? They violated… and people would be pissed to see them go. So companies hope to be the rule breaker that gets too big to fail.

People like Uber because it's cheaper than taxis but I'm hearing complaints that prices are up. Seems the reason it's cheaper than taxis is Uber is subsidizing with investor money and they shifted costs to the drivers, many who are realizing it's not worth it. Seems to me Uber has always been unsustainable (they're billions in the red, spending to capture market share) but they were hoping to have self driving cars t…

>Seems to me Uber has always been unsustainable (they're billions in the red, spending to capture market share) but they were hoping to have self driving cars to eliminate drivers by now.

I'm starting to think it is a rational strategy. Grow at a loss during a recession and make profits during the coming boom. Of course, the fact that they are still growing at a loss implies that we aren't out of the recession yet.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by mjevans »

forrestthewoods wrote: post #188
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> AirBnB is clearly used to create illegal hotels and that's the problem I agree. It shouldn’t be illegal.

Taxed like a hotel? Taxed on the business and also the tourism taxes on the guests' stay?

Maybe also an infrastructure tax, based on the increased traffic to the area.

Enforcement of civility, maybe the option to, in-lue of a local rules enforcer to attempt to de-escalate before calling the police the option to pay additional taxes and have the noise and nuisance ordinances (which should exist and have teeth, unlike everywhere I've lived) enforced by those officers?

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by oblio »

eyeundersand wrote: post #230
callmeed wrote: post #217

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> 4. Brings temporary residents into neighbourhoods that have no tie to that neighbourhood. Where I live we call this "tourism"

Was going to make a similar comment. Don't see how this is being viewed as a negative.

A rotating gallery of total strangers out to have fun every day (including party), with absolutely no care for repercussions since they're only temporarily there, I wonder what could go wrong for locals?!

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/greater-internet-fuckwad-theo...

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