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Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by alisonkisk »

praptak wrote: post #279
syshum wrote: post #253

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There is not much to wonder about, Amazon does it because it critical to their fulfillment service, one of the key ways amazon makes money and keeps it 1-2 day delivery times is inventory mixing, i.e if you order from Seller X, you may actually get Stock that Seller Y shipped in. This is why they need to merge listings into 1. It is also why there is soo much fraud on Amazon, and I dont believe they will ever fix it,…

Do I understand correctly that seller X might get their reputation damaged if Seller Y shipped some counterfeit crap?

Yes.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by alisonkisk »

CliffStoll wrote: post #183
makeitdouble wrote: post #148

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To note, buying from the sellers website can be a blessing or a curse. It is true in sometimes unexpected ways. For instance some sellers just don't care about notifications; it might be because they usually work with professional buyers who work on a long timescale ("I need it for this quarter") and will contact the seller on a regular basis if they care. Some sellers just don't want to deal with you. I had a "mom a…

Having sold Klein bottles from my website for 20 years and from Amazon from 4 or 5 years, here's my experience: - it's way more fun through my Kleinbottle website. I've customized my checkout to what I sell. When there's a problem, it's easier to contact a buyer. - I can show any amount of information on my website; Amazon has 5 bullet points and 1000 characters of description. This, of course, cuts both ways - a qui…

You're absolutely right. but very few sellers are like you. (That's part of why we love you so much.) Outside the small "art" industry, almost none are like you.

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Post by gilrain »

DetroitThrow wrote: post #65
vtail wrote: post #54

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Could you please clarify what do you think is horrible? Anyone can sue anyone in the US, for any reason, and allege a lot of bad things. It also true that cost of litigation is often much, much higher than a settlement - e.g. the 3 employee suing asked for $200k in damages, which I assume is just an opening offer. A reasonable lawyer can easily cost upwards of $500/hr, and require many, many hours of work even if the…

>Could you please clarify what do you think is horrible [about an employee discrimination lawsuit]? I wonder why so many forum users frame statements they want to make as questions which challenge innocent comments.

There is a term for it: JAQing off. Just Asking Questions. It's used to put forward a distasteful argument without actually standing behind it.

As in, "Why are you getting heated? I'm not condoning [whatever], I'm just asking questions."

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by prepend »

CliffStoll wrote: post #116

Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

Thanks for your book.

A friend recommended it to me as a “beach book” and I bought it not knowing anything about it. Best beach book ever.

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Post by JshWright »

furyg3 wrote: post #153
CliffStoll wrote: post #116

Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

Hey Cliff, I just have to say thanks. I read the Cuckoo's Egg in the early 90s and while I was already interested in computers, the idea that there were "networks" of them out there... well... it blew my mind. I immediately went to my school librarian and said I wanted to try to connect computers together, or try to dial-up to library information services, etc. We started learning together. You were a huge inspiratio…

One of my (very sincerely held) goals in life is to be as excited about _something_ as Cliff Stoll is about _everything_.

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by prepend »

ljm wrote: post #235
gabereiser wrote: post #99

This, and other instances of this scam make me not want to buy anything off Amazon ever again. Where is Amazon in this? Why is this even a thing ? Is there no oversight at all? Amazon has now become the Alibaba of the west and it makes me sick to think the once beloved marketplace is now just scamville. I typically buy from sellers websites now and rarely buy off of Amazon but now I feel I need to completely remove A…

I went cold turkey on Amazon a few months back; the only thing I've kept is the TV subscription. What I realised is that it was just a dependency because it was so easy to search for and buy stuff. Nowadays I'll buy from a smaller shop if I need something, but it's more likely that I think "do I actually need this?" and say "no."

Also, Walmart.com has similar prices and selection. Free shipping is $35 though. I’ve had much better results with Walmart packaging and shipping lately.

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Post by alisonkisk »

s_fischer wrote: post #280
RobertoG wrote: post #137

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>>"Nice write-up of how this scam works, I wasn't aware of the details previously." I still don't understand how it works. Why can somebody owning something called "Amvoom" claim something called "Acme Klein Bottle"? An even if they legally own the brand, how keeping the reviews when moving the brand to the new owner is the proper thing to do for the customers? By definition, the reviews are for another provider. I d…

My best guess is that amazon is using the entities associated with the registered trademark as some form of proof of identity. So since there was no registered trademark for Acme Klein Bottle, there was nothing to compare the new identity to when Amvoom submitted their request. I really hope I'm wrong though because this sounds like a very lazy and flawed system.

> a very lazy and flawed system.

That's how you make $100B, not by "doing things that don't scale" like handwriting thankyou notes to every customer.

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Post by omgJustTest »

CliffStoll wrote: post #168
CliffStoll wrote: post #116

Guess I'd better say a few things. First, I deeply appreciate that so many on Hacker News have come out for this. Enough to awaken me from a sound sleep on a Tuesday evening! I don't really care that much about selling Klein bottles over Amazon - it's mainly to reach parents over the holidays. But I do wish that Amazon would do something about this kind of thing. Finally, I"m very low on stocks of glass Klein bottles…

My reciprocal appreciation to Fury, Atlanta/n, and Meester (and my many other friends on Hacker News). I deeply appreciate the kindness and support of the hacker community - sends me back thirty five years to when I was fooling with a Unix workstation and stumbled on a small accounting error. Back then, I was surprised by the outpouring of help, suggestions, and collaboration from other computer folk. At this moment,…

Their blackhead remover product might be brand hijacking, but their ACME Remover Product! it's the real deal. Just see this review of their product:

"100% success at removing ACME (Klein bottles) from some kids, parents, even works on some websites!" -Cliff Stoll (He did not say this, its a joke!)

Re: A foreign seller has hijacked my Amazon Klein bottle listing

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Post by alisonkisk »

adrian_mrd wrote: post #24
dflock wrote: post #6

That sucks. Nice write-up of how this scam works, I wasn't aware of the details previously. Also, if anyone is unaware, this is this Clifford Stoll: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clifford_Stoll - who wrote this brilliant (and true) book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cuckoo%27s_Egg_(book) - which is a really good read and perfect for HN.

Has anyone read his other book ‘Silicon Snake Oil’ [1] from 1995 lately? Sounds like most of his predictions in it (eg e-commerce will fail, digital books will not be viable, etc) were wildly off the mark - but were any prescient? [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Snake_Oil

He completely missed the boat about how Moore's Law would improve upon the power of early prototypes. It's a classic case of underestimating the power of exponential growth by visualizing it as low-order polynomial, and missing that "digital is worse than analog" is a problem that can be solved by increasing the scale of digital power.

But he was right about tech will enable and amplify the worst in social behaviors.

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