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Android does not require a Google account, I’m not sure about Apple and iOS but I think also not?

But if you want get android app from playstore, you still need google account. Same for iOS, and it's even worst than android, since you can't sideload apps

I used android for 5 years without an account. You can side load, use fdroid or apkpure.

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Putting the start menu button in the middle of the panel rather than at a corner seems to forget Fitts' Law. Is this a push to make people use hotkeys more or just bad design?

It’s yet another effort by Microsoft to make Windows relevant to touch form factors at the expense of productivity, desktop, and keyboard/mouse/touchpad. It’s astonishing how little (close to zero) human factors research is done, much less sought out or taken into consideration by PM or engineering on the software side of Microsoft.

Windows 8 had a ton (!) of smart human factors research done, but people gut reacted to all the individually beneficially changes horribly when released all at once (rather than taking some time to try adapting). I almost wonder if Microsoft learned the exact wrong answer from that and decided to ignore their own research more as they stripped out the beneficial improvements from 8 into 10.

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Getting rid of tiles and similar seems like a substantial improvement, and might address part of people's complaints about Windows 10. The most important question, though: is Windows still "evergreen" with free updates, or will people have to buy Windows 11? The latter would mean we can't count on Windows systems being up to date. I was happily looking forward to the day when software could just support Windows 10 an…

> is Windows still "evergreen" with free updates, or will people have to buy Windows 11?

It's a free upgrade, just like 8 -> 10.

I assume Microsoft is doing this because of the hype that typically surrounds new Mac OS versions. I have no doubt that this could have been one of the evergreen updates, if only Microsoft hadn't been calling Windows 10 updates 'exciting' things like "21H2".

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The Dock isn't the equivalent to the Start Menu, the closest Mac equivalent is the Apple menu. That dates back to I think the very beginning of the Macintosh, and particularly in the classic era (Mac OS 1 through 9) shared a lot more in common with the Start menu. When Apple was just first barely dipping a toe in the waters of multitasking applications with the 1987 MultiFinder, the Apple menu let you switch between…

Nice history lesson, but for all intents and purposes the Dock _is_ equivalent to the Start Menu, as both are the main ways to start or switch applications for most users. The Apple menu has nothing to do with running applications in modern macOS versions.

Doc is equivalent to the apps locked to your taskbar.. not the start button.

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Why does it matter? Just don't connect it to the internet and there should be no issue. Why would you want to update software that could potentially break your super expensive machine if it already works?

So what you’re saying is, this can’t have happened because nobody would be dumb enough to buy a convenient Internet-enabled smart device and then actually connect it to the Internet: https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2017/05/17/wanna... And also that this problem definitely won’t get worse as more and more of these devices are built on platforms that want to require you to sign in with a cloud service…

Of course people are going to do silly things, but you can't protect people from stupidity.

>And also that this problem definitely won’t get worse as more and more of these devices are built on platforms that want to require you to sign in with a cloud service…

Which is why it's so important that not giving network access to medical machines becomes standard practice.

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So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

> * A Microsoft account and internet connectivity is required for Windows 11 Home setup I refuse. There better be easily accessible versions without this requirement.

Smells like you are forced to login with a Microsoft account and can't do a local account

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Most of those are actually features. 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control) 2. Telemetry, ads: Yes, this is a…

> 3. Package management: NuGet? WinGet is their answer to this one: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/windows-package-m... It's not proper package management, but it's a start.

Powershell + ChocolateyGet (+ DSC if you want) does a pretty good job already. Apart from specialized software it's been years I had to install via tedious hunt for link + download + execute + go through wizards or similar. That being said, the meat of it is 3rd party so not having package management builtin is a valid complaint. Then again, if you think about what that would take: non-trivial.

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Anyone has a good guess why Microsoft needed to bump the version? All of these updates seems something that can be easily updated to Windows 10 in several or one half year update. Is this something related to it's corporate clients or licensing services? Really can't understand why a need to create a new version with so much hype, when they've announced in the past that W10 will be the last Windows version.

I'm betting that getting out of support / lifecycle requirements is part of the major version bump. Internet Explorer 11 support is likely tied to the lifecycle of Windows 10.

Sadly, I'll still be supporting IE11 on Windows 10 for the next decade. The bane of a massive company with old people that panic at opening chrome.

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Every time this happens someone says fuck it and installs Linux. After two weeks some of them come back, but the Linux market share grows. I want an OS that stays current on security patches, attempts to be as unobtrusive as possible, allows for Desktop Environment customization but has sane defaults. I don't want special integrations. The OS should follow single responsibility and defer special functionality to app…

I said exactly that to myself when Windows 8 was out, quite happy since then:)

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It's moving from electron to webview2

Do you have any information about what problems this is expected to solve?

WebView2 is shipped/serviced by Windows (auto-updates with Edgmium at roughly the exact same pace as Chromium/Chrome), and it's a shared control with a single install which Windows can optimize memory usage/performance. As opposed to Electron packages its own Chromium, updates have to be shipped inside the application at the application's pace (including and especially security updates), and the install size and memory usage/performance is bloated for every Electron app bundling lots of the exact same Chromium DLLs and whatnot.
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