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Post by dboreham »

bigmattystyles wrote: post #276
rootusrootus wrote: post #260

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> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

It’s signaling; in my mind it’s the same for many Tesla drivers. But I mean, same for me, I drive a Subaru Outback because while I do use it for outdoor exploring and want to signal that, its off road use is honestly limited to a dirt parking lot. It’s often about image. (Edit) consumption waste of traditional F150s, and yes, even that of my beloved Subaru is not great, but the absolute worst are coal rollers and tho…

Come to southwest Montana -- you'd be signaling "I like to blend in to the crowd" :)

While nationally Subraru marketing emphasizes being different by owning a Subaru, around here its far and away the most common car. You exit Costco, look at the parking lot and ask "which of these 10 gray Outbacks is mine?".

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Post by jaywalk »

space_ghost wrote: post #169
MattGaiser wrote: post #28

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Probably quite functional, but it looks like a tumor on top of the screen.

Ford missed a trick by not making it magnetic and easily removable.

Then they'd have to add extra hardware to detect whether it's there or not, and change the interface accordingly. And for what? I can't imagine an actual use case to justify it.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

Someone1234 wrote: post #277
golover721 wrote: post #242

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Agreed, which makes it strange that it’s only available as a crew cab.

Most of the gas F-150 sales are crew cab models, so it makes sense not to target that relatively small niche. The long-bed was popular back when people owned a truck as an extra vehicle/work vehicle only , now many use their truck as their main vehicle and have need of carrying others. If you look at the creature comforts of older bench seat trucks (bare-bones) and the trucks sold today, a truck today will have every…

The supercab F150 has serviceable back seats. There is no need to gimp the bed with an oversized crew cab.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by mindslight »

xwdv wrote: post #243
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

None of them have ever had to carry planks of wood from Home Depot.

I've happily carried plenty of lumber and even full sheets of plywood/drywall with my Civic. It fits 10' lengths inside, and sheets on the roof. What it lacks is capacity, and convenience for sheet stock. Recently I've gotten into towing trailers (on a light SUV), which seems like a great capability for the times that I need to transport more at once. If you're transporting large things frequently, I get the utility of a truck. But most truck owners aren't hauling anywhere near that much.

FWIW after reading the other thread specifically about home backup power, I was thinking this new F-150 sounds interesting. But then reading this whole product page and coming to "automatic software updates" I remembered why new vehicles are non-starters for me. I'd rather keep dealing with gasoline than resigning myself to surveillance culture.

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Post by jostmey »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

I dislike pickups in cities because they are too big. Many times I've been stuck behind pickup truck driver trying to squeeze into a parking lot, waiting... I've got nothing against pickup trucks in rural areas where I grew up

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Post by speby »

perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

It's funny, I view buying a truck for the machismo as one of the primary emotions/feelings/identity actually means buying it for whatever the opposite of machismo is.

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Post by wanderingshi »

pkulak wrote: post #286
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

yeah show me where you can buy a ups delivery van type vehicle lol

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Post by danans »

namdnay wrote: post #4

I guess the fact that's it's electric is a good step. But it seems insane to me that we don't do more to discourage massive consumption of what should be utility vehicles. I'm willing to be 80% of people buying an f150 or similar never have been and never will be building contractors or lumberjacks.

The same could be said of sports cars - most people don't race them or push them anywhere near their potential.

But selling cars has always been the business of selling a story as much as it has been about selling a transportation technology. This goes back to the earliest days when cars were hulking machines owned by the uber-wealthy.

> or lumberjacks.

Hah, I bet a puny pickup truck isn't very useful for lumberjacks' actual work. I think they use giant tree felling machines and specialized trucks instead. Pickups seem more like small support vehicles for them.

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Post by Someone1234 »

perardi wrote: post #23

I have no idea if this’ll be lightning or a lead balloon, because a significant amount of pickup truck buyers do it for the machismo. Which sounds like some city-slicker talking down to the cheap seats, except, I grew up in a town named Farmington. (Go Farmers.) I know pickups. I know the people who drive pickups. My dad sneers at fancy new pickups because he used to shove a good 700 pounds of mink pelts in a pickup,…

As a contrasting anecdote: I work with IT people, about 20% of the parking lot is pickup trucks.

So while there might be pushback from the "salt of the earth"-type, I suspect a lot of urban truck owners are very far removed from that. The gas/long bed/bench seat base model may continue to sell for the rest of my life to farmers and construction crews, but most people buying a truck likely don't need a truck: It is just a utilitarian general vehicle that may haul gardening supplies, camping gear, and dump runs every so often.

So you likely are correct, it just may not matter for the more common demography for trucks in 2021+.

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Post by isoskeles »

chrisseaton wrote: post #252
bobince wrote: post #105

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It needn't have been this tall. With the internal combustion engine out, Ford could have designed a lower, more curved, less deadly front end. Instead, they kept the high nose and used the space as a trunk. After all, injuring fewer pedestrians sells no cars. Indeed, the market prefers an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile. Ford are behind this game in that they have…

> an enormous, deliberately threatening-looking chariot that makes you feel big and virile Most people with a truck are just trying to get their job done. They aren’t trying to look or feel anything.

As someone who doesn't own a truck, I always find it funny when people bring up "big and virile" type lines about truck owners. "They're compensating for something..." These people need to get their minds out of the gutter, stop thinking everything is about penis. Trucks are functional vehicles, like a giant tool for transporting bulky stuff, and I remember this every time I think about asking a friend if I can use his truck for anything.

No insult intended here: I assume people who have never had this thought have also never done things like replacing their kitchen cabinets or some other simple home improvement project. That's fine, but it's also quite relatable to many people, and it has nothing to do with penis.

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