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Re: The Ponzi Career

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So Denmark would forcibly take more than half of my income to invest in stuff I don't have a say on, while no one is held accountable by competition and economic incentives. I'll pass.

Including your pension and healthcare, how much of your income is “taxed”?

> how much of your income is “taxed”?

Generally all income is taxed. I think the personal deductible is around ~10k USD. -- That's not meant to ask, but it's what you asked :)

Taking all taxes deductibles etc. then all in all I think I pay around ~48% of my income in taxes. Note. that lower income means less taxes too.

When I lived in SF it was around 38% (I think). Not that much considering cost of healthcare wasn't covered through taxes in the US.

None of this includes sales tax or VAT, just income.

Re: The Ponzi Career

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post #209

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So Denmark would forcibly take more than half of my income to invest in stuff I don't have a say on, while no one is held accountable by competition and economic incentives. I'll pass.

Do you think taxes are necessary for a cohesive society?

> Do you think taxes are necessary for a cohesive society?

I don't know if a better way to fund public services. Maybe we could tax work less and tax natural resources higher.. but I'm not expert on the long-term economic implications -- so who knows.

In any case: my point was that getting exposure to human capital as an investment instrument is probably best done through public pension schemes rather than ISA or human token IPOs :)

Investing in humans makes sense. Most countries already do it! Do we need to reinvent it?

Re: The Ponzi Career

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post #256

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Why do you need population growth rate? You can just have each individual self fund their retirement, no Ponzi shenanigans.

Because otherwise if you graduate at 25, work until 65, and expect to die at 85, your retirement contribution during work years needs to be half of your retirement check. If you are aiming for the same income level, 1/3 of your income needs to go towards retirement. In reality, people cannot put aside that much, so the % is much lower, relying on higher returns (private) and population growth (public).

Public pension is only part of the puzzle.. the pensions is tiny, you can maybe live off it, well barely.

But it means that your private pension doesn't have to be as big.

More importantly: the point is that your private pension depends on the stock market. You public pension depends on future generations.

So overall part of my pension is going to be private: the underlying assets it's invested into is private companies through stocks. Another part of my pension will be public: the underlying asset is humans that can be taxed.

Re: The Ponzi Career

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post #273

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Because otherwise if you graduate at 25, work until 65, and expect to die at 85, your retirement contribution during work years needs to be half of your retirement check. If you are aiming for the same income level, 1/3 of your income needs to go towards retirement. In reality, people cannot put aside that much, so the % is much lower, relying on higher returns (private) and population growth (public).

Returns on investment? Even public pension plans can have them.

Actually, the point was to not have the public pension save up money.

Instead, we're betting that future generations will pay through taxes.

Note. Public pensions are tiny, so you'll still want a private pension that is invested in stocks.

But both is fantastic, because you have diversified your pension into stocks (private pension) and humans (public pension).

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post #209

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So Denmark would forcibly take more than half of my income to invest in stuff I don't have a say on, while no one is held accountable by competition and economic incentives. I'll pass.

> So Denmark would forcibly take more than half of my income to invest in stuff I don't have a say on.. If you could invest in humans, you'd want a diversified portfolio anyways. Indeed to keep operating costs low, you might want a passive investment scheme, like index funds. Paying taxes to fund education and pensions is kind of like investing in an index fund tracking all humans in a given country. Only kind of lik…

Also it's usually less than half.

Average tax rate in Denmark is around 45%.

In San Francisco I was paying 38%.

Can you pay education for your kids with 7% of your income? How about healthcare?

What is a social safety net worth?

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I am not really sure of what it is you call honor though. To me it is a word whose meaning I don't really understand whose main purpose seems to justify leaders in sending people to their death at war and by men to justify murdering women/other men. It is at best anachronic, at worst dangerous. (Of course I am not accusing you of promoting murder but that's a word that has a sad history and I hope we get rid of it in…

Well, this is a really weak argument. Honor is inward looking, about the individual and whether they can live with themselves. >that's a word that has a sad history and I hope we get rid of it in the context of our daily lives Please dont start that cancel culture nonsense because the word has previously been used in a way you don't like. You are a symptom of a society that lacks personal and community values to live…

Cancel that cancel culture?

Re: The Ponzi Career

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post #282

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Most likely a Scandinavian country.

I figured as much, but was surprised by the 30% figure. I always assumed a tax rate of > 40% to support those social programs and benefits.

Paying 50% of your salary can be "ok" for a rich person, tough on middle class families with children, and impossible for a poor person (difference between making and not making rent).

This is why tax rates aren't constant for all incomes, they depend on income, costs (family, children, etc.), etc.

My tax rate would be slightly over 40% if I were single, but my partner's income isn't as high (still over >35% taxes), and we have two children. We get taxed as a family, so our incomes kind of get added and divided by four, and then our "family" tax rate is ~30%.

If you earn a lot of money and have no family / children to care for, then you get taxed with the highest rate which is slightly less than 50%.

If that's not your situation, your tax rate will be lower.

Also, there are some ways to delay paying at least a portion of your taxes (e.g. by getting stock compensation, and paying the taxes on the original price of the stock much later when you sell, etc.), which are often used for high paying jobs (somebody working on a dinner doesn't get "stock").

Having said all this, I've payed almost 50% taxes before, and it was ok. My net salary was still way above the median, and the cost of living here is relatively cheap.

The only real difference of this tax systems are (1) all the benefits that you get, and (2) the variable tax-rate widens the middle class significantly: it is harder to become "poorer" if your salary decrease because the tax rate decreases with it, and it is harder to double your net salary because the tax rate grows with salary increases, at least up to the almost 50% limit.

Many of the benefits are just the outcome of having a large number of people that live with 1 job, working 35h/week, and that don't have to look at their bank account ever to see if they'll make it to the end of the month.

Re: The Ponzi Career

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Actually, most of my business is not actually around that stuff. It's the shingle I hang, but I worked as a wage slave for most of my life. I'm now at the point where, if someone wants to work with me, I will do so, on my own terms, and try to make that clear, so I don't really get a whole lot of approaches (not surprising. I'm not complaining). I am currently keeping my dance card [very] full, working for nothing, o…

I see I made the erroneous assumption that your living was based on your personal / business projects. I too was a wage slave at a relatively chill software engineering gig until my business became financially successful. The "always been on my own" was a quote from your original post.

Poor choice of words.

Sorry about that.

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post #289

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> So Denmark would forcibly take more than half of my income to invest in stuff I don't have a say on.. If you could invest in humans, you'd want a diversified portfolio anyways. Indeed to keep operating costs low, you might want a passive investment scheme, like index funds. Paying taxes to fund education and pensions is kind of like investing in an index fund tracking all humans in a given country. Only kind of lik…

Also it's usually less than half. Average tax rate in Denmark is around 45%. In San Francisco I was paying 38%. Can you pay education for your kids with 7% of your income? How about healthcare? What is a social safety net worth?

Salary in SF is much higher than Copenhagen. Factor that into the equation.
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