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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by refurb »

mullingitover wrote: post #256
snicksnak wrote: post #96

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always pay attention who you hire, especially in HR. Woke and activist HR hires woke and activist people, woke and activist people will cause you trouble and can wreck your whole ship. This is true for every industry but especially for media, just look what happened to the once so prestigious news outlets, all taken hostage.

The problem with notion this is that 'woke' or 'activist' values are actually pretty reflective of mainstream values in 21st century society. I would worry more about the legal exposure of people who express opposition to diversity/equity/inclusiveness, as these are very likely to be the people who would end up behaving inappropriately and getting the company mired in harassment and discrimination suits.

The very fact these value are called “activist” and “woke” means they aren’t mainstream values.

And it’s not the values, it’s the disruption. If you had anti-abortion Republicans doing the same would everyone be saying how the company should “tread lightly”.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by throwaway0xa »

slg wrote: post #268
imgabe wrote: post #266

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I do listen to Rogan and I'm aware of the trans controversy. What he actually took issue with was a trans woman who fought in women's MMA without telling her competitors that she was trans . This creates a serious safety risk in what is already a dangerous sport, and it was irresponsible of her to lie. Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete, just that they should disclose it so the people they're fightin…

You are not being honest about Rogan's opinions on trans athletes. He does not want trans women competing against cisgender women.[1] [1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e0qwXgjjDA&t=120s

>He does not want trans women competing against cisgender women.

Which is not a transphobic take, it's a logical, biologically correct take.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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slg wrote: post #273
imgabe wrote: post #270

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In the context of MMA what he said was they should disclose it and ciswomen can choose to go into the fight or not, I am not lying about that. The clip you posted was about weightlifting. If a biological man can call himself a woman and compete in women's weightlifting, why don't we just get rid of the gender categories altogether and have men and women compete together? If we did that, do you think any woman, trans…

This is what you said: >Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete This is what Rogan said (rough transcript): >[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole. You are misrepresenting Rogan's point to make it sound more acceptable.…

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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Method-X »

slg wrote: post #273
imgabe wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of MMA what he said was they should disclose it and ciswomen can choose to go into the fight or not, I am not lying about that. The clip you posted was about weightlifting. If a biological man can call himself a woman and compete in women's weightlifting, why don't we just get rid of the gender categories altogether and have men and women compete together? If we did that, do you think any woman, trans…

This is what you said: >Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete This is what Rogan said (rough transcript): >[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole. You are misrepresenting Rogan's point to make it sound more acceptable.…

>[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole.

^ What’s wrong with that statement? It’s a crude way to phrase things, but it’s true. Saying trans women have a biologic advantage when competing against cis women is not transphobic.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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slg wrote: post #273
imgabe wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of MMA what he said was they should disclose it and ciswomen can choose to go into the fight or not, I am not lying about that. The clip you posted was about weightlifting. If a biological man can call himself a woman and compete in women's weightlifting, why don't we just get rid of the gender categories altogether and have men and women compete together? If we did that, do you think any woman, trans…

This is what you said: >Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete This is what Rogan said (rough transcript): >[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole. You are misrepresenting Rogan's point to make it sound more acceptable.…

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Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by [deleted] »

slg wrote: post #273
imgabe wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the context of MMA what he said was they should disclose it and ciswomen can choose to go into the fight or not, I am not lying about that. The clip you posted was about weightlifting. If a biological man can call himself a woman and compete in women's weightlifting, why don't we just get rid of the gender categories altogether and have men and women compete together? If we did that, do you think any woman, trans…

This is what you said: >Rogan didn't even say trans women shouldn't compete This is what Rogan said (rough transcript): >[When you let a trans women competing against cisgender women] you are stealing from [cisgender] women, you are stealing victory, you are cheating, you are fucking 100% cheating, and anybody who says they are not is an asshole. You are misrepresenting Rogan's point to make it sound more acceptable.…

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Post by dna_polymerase »

commandlinefan wrote: post #48
throwawaysea wrote: post #41

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Where can I find an archive online? I am really disappointed that Spotify is removing all these episodes, and have refused to give their podcasts any attention as a result.

> Where can I find an archive online? If there was one, Spotify would sue to have it taken down. The goal of censorship isn't to remove "offensive" content from Spotify: the goal is to remove it from existence, completely, as though it had never been.

Here's the archive: https://pastebin.com/s9JupqqD

Good luck suing. Will be fun to watch news coverage about the uTorrent guy suing torrenters.

Re: Spotify continues to remove Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by imgabe »

slg wrote: post #286
imgabe wrote: post #280

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He has spoken about this on a number of different occasions. The one clip you happened to find at the top of your google search does not constitute everything he ever said on the topic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTfyjhvfH8&t=4210s This is where he's talking about MMA. There were other occasions where he mentioned disclosing it. I don't remember the exact episode and timestamp. But like I said above (sorry, edi…

>The one clip you happened to find at the top of your google search does not constitute everything he ever said on the topic. I never said it did constitute everything he has ever said on the topic. However that isn't the point. Not every episode is being removed. Only some of them are. He can be accepting of trans people on 99 episodes and it doesn't undo being transphobic on the 100th. It is also possible his opini…

> You are the one who brought sports into this. I simply stated he has been repeatedly accused of transphobia. His opinion on sports is part of that, but it isn't the only time he has been called transphobic.

Ok, then find a clip where he promotes violence against trans people or any other group or tells people to hate them. The burden of proof is on people making the claim to provide evidence that supports it, not the other way around.

Edit:

To get back to the fundamental question here. The issue is, Spotify has a policy. Does Rogan violate the policy or not? By your own description, the policy hinges on terms that are "impossible to define". So, is a policy with undefinable terms a good policy? Is there any objective way to determine whether it was violated or not and apply it fairly and consistently to everyone? If not, why are we holding up the policy as a gold standard and using it as a justification for censorship when it is impossible to determine whether or not it was violated?

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Post by fareesh »

Barrin92 wrote: post #155
fareesh wrote: post #138

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Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying. By cloaking their bullying in the veil of righteousness, bullies are able to engage in self-aggrandisement to satisfy the tyrannical need to shape the world in the image that they desire, without engaging in the civilized discourse and debate that would preclude such decision making. The justification thrown around is that the cause…

>Society in the west seems to not know how to deal with this new variety of bullying Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly? Are you under the impression non-Western societies don't shape culture based on norms and expectations about what's proper or right? How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny? Jesus people have become so dramatic and whiny. Here's a crazy idea, if you don't wa…

> Society in the West in contrast to... what exactly?

The brief period in time during which enlightenment values were held in higher regard.

> How is Spotify deleting episodes from their own platform tyranny?

The parent comment referred to staff within large tech companies. Anecdotally I hear plenty of stories about how activists have essentially bullied their way into positions of influence at some of the large tech companies, particularly to influence these types of decisions. Perhaps it is a coincidence in this case.

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