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Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by tubularhells »

nicoburns wrote: post #286
skissane wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things than you move. I've been using a Mac full-time for the last 8 years, and I do the vast majority of file manipulation in Terminal instead of Finder, because I find the command line easier and more i…

That might be more because finder is so bad and less to do with file management GUIs in general. Windows Explorer and Nautilus are both much better than finder.

Windows Explorer is terrible. I used Norton Commander>windows commander>total commander>double commander my whole life. It's as fast as your keyboard gets. I cringe when I see people navigating files I'm Explorer.

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by noisem4ker »

nicoburns wrote: post #286
skissane wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things than you move. I've been using a Mac full-time for the last 8 years, and I do the vast majority of file manipulation in Terminal instead of Finder, because I find the command line easier and more i…

That might be more because finder is so bad and less to do with file management GUIs in general. Windows Explorer and Nautilus are both much better than finder.

Dolphin from KDE is also excellent.

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by tubularhells »

umvi wrote: post #273
syl_sau wrote: post #270

I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move. Now when it comes to more complex applications, I'd stop using the CLI if I had to search the manpages or the internet each time for doing something I already did previously. Since I d…

Have you seen a Vim master in action? They make a really good case for terminal file manipulation.

'Vim for everything' mentality requires a high degree of autistic behaviour in my opinion. I'm just not there on the spectrum.

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by anotherhue »

syl_sau wrote: post #270

I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move. Now when it comes to more complex applications, I'd stop using the CLI if I had to search the manpages or the internet each time for doing something I already did previously. Since I d…

Solutions like vidir (apt install moreutils) let you use vi to rename everything all at once.

It's like adding a second dimension, plus vi keybindings to the process

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by bendiksolheim »

syl_sau wrote: post #270

I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move. Now when it comes to more complex applications, I'd stop using the CLI if I had to search the manpages or the internet each time for doing something I already did previously. Since I d…

> I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move.

This might be the case for you, but please don’t mistake it for an objective truth. I find the terminal far superior for file manipulation than any of the graphical file explorers I have used. I especially find copying quite clumsy, as I either have to open several windows and navigate to the correct locations, or leave the source folder behind as I navigate to the destination. In my terminal I can stay in the source folder if I want to, and even navigate directly to the destination with a short, generic command.

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by bregma »

syl_sau wrote: post #270

I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move. Now when it comes to more complex applications, I'd stop using the CLI if I had to search the manpages or the internet each time for doing something I already did previously. Since I d…

> It's just more natural to "see" things that you move.

This is the fallacy of logos.

When I was learning about files and filesystems, the GUI had not even been invented. It is certainly not natural to me to conceive of file operations as cartoons moving around on a TV screen.

What's happening here is you're mistaking what you may have first learned for what is normal or natural. That it seems normal or natural to you is an inherent property of your experience, not an inherent property of file manipulation.

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by cesaref »

syl_sau wrote: post #270

I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move. Now when it comes to more complex applications, I'd stop using the CLI if I had to search the manpages or the internet each time for doing something I already did previously. Since I d…

Agreed. It's not easy to accidentally wipe your entire home directory in the GUI, but it's just 9 keystrokes away on the CLI

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by TeMPOraL »

tubularhells wrote: post #293
umvi wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you seen a Vim master in action? They make a really good case for terminal file manipulation.

'Vim for everything' mentality requires a high degree of autistic behaviour in my opinion. I'm just not there on the spectrum.

It doesn't. It just requires openness for the concept. Same with Emacs for everything.

That's not to say you should do it. It's fine if you do, it's fine if you don't.

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by satai »

syl_sau wrote: post #270

I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move. Now when it comes to more complex applications, I'd stop using the CLI if I had to search the manpages or the internet each time for doing something I already did previously. Since I d…

For some strange reason I have a GUI (nautilus), TUI (mc) and CLI (fish) at my disposal... but I do lots of file manipulation at CLI. Nothing will ever beat `massren` with the power of `vim`.

(But no kidding: somethings feels CLI very natural, sometimes feels GUI more natural for me.)

Re: You Don't Need a GUI

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Post by throwaway2048 »

cesaref wrote: post #297
syl_sau wrote: post #270

I'm not sure if this is satire or not, but certainly the single worst case of using a terminal is file manipulation. Nothing will ever beat the right-clicks or Ctrl+C/Ctrl+V combos. It's just more natural to "see" things that you move. Now when it comes to more complex applications, I'd stop using the CLI if I had to search the manpages or the internet each time for doing something I already did previously. Since I d…

Agreed. It's not easy to accidentally wipe your entire home directory in the GUI, but it's just 9 keystrokes away on the CLI

its 5 keystrokes away on a gui

ctrl+a shift+delete enter

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