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Re: Moderna mRNA sequence released to GitHub [pdf]

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My thought exactly. So this thing is like a VM with a bunch of primitive opcode, why can’t someone write a higher-level language or at least some gadgets

The problem with trying to program genetics is that there is a bunch of code already running on the system and every variable is a global . You can't just start up a new program with minimal impact on the stuff that is already running, like you can in most human-made computers. Also don't forget that the extremely simplified version of the running system looks like this: https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/technical-documen…

I wouldn’t call it extremely simplified; you can go simpler: https://science.sciencemag.org/content/351/6280/aad6253

Re: Moderna mRNA sequence released to GitHub [pdf]

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We are simply programmable machines, its pretty interesting that all of human life can be reduced down to 30k editable microservices.

Sure, but if you took that 30k of data and dropped it on a planet just like earth it would still take 10k years or so for us to build civilizations as we know it again.

Not 10k year as it needs to go through the million years scale - rna, hot, uv then dna ... with no oxygen to oxygen etc. Then million of years of evolving ... scale is a bit off.

Re: Moderna mRNA sequence released to GitHub [pdf]

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I'm sure it's more complex than I grasp as a layperson, but I'm utterly amazed at how simple this _appears_. I get the feeling that this is something I have a better chance of understanding than the average SaaS Terms and Conditions. I expected to have to scroll through pages upon pages of indecipherable text. Instead it's no bigger than a large paragraph of text, and I can easily fit it on my screen.

The genetic code itself is reasonably comparable to ASCII in complexity - every 6 bits is the code for one amino acid in a string, which will fold itself into the required protein.

Re: Moderna mRNA sequence released to GitHub [pdf]

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The protein they're trying to manufacture is indeed quite simple - AFAIU both BioNTech and Moderna put together their sequences in a weekend. (Though there was a more involved process of winnowing down the sequences for the most effective ones.) The technically challenging parts are: - delivery mechanism: you need to take a very unstable molecule, protect it from the environment - both external, and when inside the p…

> but testing the thing for safety and efficacy took months What kind of tweaks were made from "the version they threw together in a weekend" to "the version that is in production now"? What's a typical "mRNA" feedback iteration loop like?

I'm not sure if there were changes in the sequence at all necessary during testing, however if you align the sequences given in that link from Biontech and Moderna, you see they encode the exact same protein (which is of course necessary). However the RNA sequence contains quite a few differences between the companies, they often use a different codons. This could be to make the translation more efficient, and can be a thing to optimize.

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https://www.hhs.gov/hepatitis/learn-about-viral-hepatitis/da... It can be said that hepatitis care is more necessary than covid.

The world is not in lockdown becuse of hepatitis, though.

Hepatitis isn't airborne, though, so it doesn't have an exponent threatening to blow up in everyone's face.

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This is a great animation of the life cycle of an HIV virus. It’s not exactly what happens with the pandemic virus but it gives you a good idea of the complexity of the process of viral reproduction (vaccine or immune response isn’t covered here): https://vimeo.com/260291607 Animation of transcription from mRNA: https://youtu.be/TfYf_rPWUdY

It blows my mind to see how life (and death) work at the molecular level--it's almost like some kind of manmade machine, but far more subtle and complex.

Yes.One must know all programming of molecules and all laws current in the universe. perfect hierarchy from atoms to the cells, from cells to plants, animals from animals to earth, from earth to stars

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I'm sure it's more complex than I grasp as a layperson, but I'm utterly amazed at how simple this _appears_. I get the feeling that this is something I have a better chance of understanding than the average SaaS Terms and Conditions. I expected to have to scroll through pages upon pages of indecipherable text. Instead it's no bigger than a large paragraph of text, and I can easily fit it on my screen.

Sequencing technologies have improved immensely over the last decade and a half. And, in this particular case, getting the sample RNA is incredibly easy, since its purity and integrity in the vial is quite high.

I didn't look at the details of how they sequenced it, but given that there are chemically modified bases in the mRNA vaccines there is a chance the normal methods for sequencing (and the first step of translating to DNA) don't work. Well, I guess in practice they did.

Re: Moderna mRNA sequence released to GitHub [pdf]

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A given combination of 7 bases has a probability of occurring of 1/16,384. Since the COVID genome is about 22k bases long I guess you have pretty good chance of it appearing in there somewhere. This assumes uniformity, which of course is not true. COVID’s genome is under crazy intense selection pressure!

The sequence GATTCA appears 4 times in the reference version of the COVID genome :) (Go to https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/NC_045512 , pick "Find in this Sequence" on the right)

AWESOME! I just did a text search for it on github. Maybe it didn't pick any up that had a line break in the middle.

I'm much happier now.

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