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> This seems like a pretty flawed idea and an attempt to justify the incredible amount of electricity required by bitcoin. It's not "required", it's only that high because it has so much success. Bitcoin would be working with only one miner running, the first blocks were minted on a private computer.
Sorry but that's BS, It absolutely requires the energy. If it would be running on a privet computer still then anyone with such a computer could double spend which would make it useless regardless of success.
Bitcoin as a Battery
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#292What the hell is is with cryptocurrency proponents and trying to redefine words to suit their narrative? First Bitcoin was NOT fiat currency (despite being one of the most fiat currencies by definition), then it was also a store of value (despite it being a horrible store of value, a high-risk high-reward investment is more accurate). Now it's supposed to be a battery? When the energy being put into it is basically p…
You need to have a triadic understanding of bitcoin, this is what allows it to be a flat currency, a store of value, and a battery at both one and the same time, through the act of transubstantiation of the coin a quantum state is triggered that allows the individual coin to choose which form it will manifest itself as.
Unfortunately, this same architecture gave birth to both artificial intelligence because of the way it mimics DNA, and a black hole. The inevitable faith of a configuration of matter permeating all spacetime is the end of the universe.
Thank you bitcoin, the worst ecological disaster, like, ever!
At least we got AI and a Blackhole.
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#293What the hell is is with cryptocurrency proponents and trying to redefine words to suit their narrative? First Bitcoin was NOT fiat currency (despite being one of the most fiat currencies by definition), then it was also a store of value (despite it being a horrible store of value, a high-risk high-reward investment is more accurate). Now it's supposed to be a battery? When the energy being put into it is basically p…
> I really do think cryptocurrency and block-chain technology is cool. But the level of hype and double-think is getting insane. I agree with this, the amount of hype makes it hard to find the true innovations in the space, because most of it is honestly shit. > There are plenty of ways to do digital transactions Yes, but Bitcoin was not initially made to just "do digital transactions". It was made to be able to do d…
1. Those who wrote the encryption and understand the math (very small %).
2. Those who write the software powering the blockchain (small %)
3. Those who write the wallet software you use to use the blockchain (small %)
4. Those who build the software you use on the same platform you use your wallet.
5. The operating system you use implementing all of the above.
6. The hardware you use implementing all of the above.
Yeah, tons of no trust....
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Bitcoin mining is good for the environment https://pomp.substack.com/p/bitcoin-mining-is-good-for-the-e...
"Bitcoin isn’t bad for the environment. In fact, Bitcoin is very, very good for the environment." wish I could downvote.
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#295Some people who have been exposed to curves like the one at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Global_Carbon_Emissions.s... (which shows that almost all extra CO2 comes from after 1950, and *around 50% of all anthropogenic CO2 in the atmosphere dates from the past 20 years!) seemingly fall into a kind of cognitive dissonance and react with "surely this isn't true" (climate deniers); others rationalize that the most frivolous wasters of fossil energy are actually beneficial for mankind and the planet.
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> waste power > not a battery What's a better way to losslessly and securely store human labor/time for future use? Almost everything else (fiat, gold, silver, real estate, etc...) that exists is debased/debasable, deteriorates, or loses value. The above arguments completely hinge on energy being "wasted". Lossless labor/time storage isn't "waste" to market participants seeing a need for it and putting their hard ear…
> Almost everything else (fiat, gold, silver, real estate, etc...) that exists is debased/debasable, deteriorates, or loses value. Look, yes, Bitcoin is deflationary, but it's still subject to market pressures. It's not technologically guaranteed to be worth anything 200 years from now. Besides that... > securely store human labor/time for future use? It's not secure storage if you can't retrieve it [0]. What do you…
Owning 1000 satoshis/21M BTC is guaranteed to be worth 1000 satoshis/21M BTC 100 years from now, it can not be debased.
Every fiat currency (USD, GBP, CAD, AUD, etc..) has a denominator (aka max supply) that increases. Almost every fiat currency dies a horrible death in less than a century due to this inflation. 1 British pound sterling used to buy 12 ounces of silver but is now worth 0.5% of its original value and dropping. This is not lossless time/labor storage, the denominator is increasing rapidly as central banks respond to the crisis of the day.
How does a beanie baby look after 100 years without maintenance, no deterioration? How easy is it to counterfeit a beanie baby? The problem with your approach to criticizing BTC is you believe you can isolate the properties first. All the properties I mentioned and more work together in a synergistic fashion to create a lossless time/labor energy storage network.
>I should be able to create a new Bitcoin using the exact same technology because it's Open Source, and it should also be just as valuable, right?
This would be true if we ignored one of the primary laws of money, "hardest money wins". There can literally only be one hardest money, and capital will flow into it precisely because it is the hardest and acts as the best store of value. This is where looking at BTC as technology first leads you astray, it is in fact money first. Money will flow into one rather than the other BTC fork and the one with the highest hash rate will secure value better. The network with the highest hash rate will also have a huge incentive to expedite the death of the softer/less-secure money/network through 51% attacks and more... then consume its value.
Silver was the hardest money in the world until people realized gold was more scarce and harder to mine...silver turned into a shitcoin not long after that moment. Anyone that continued to hold silver after that point suffered a tremendous loss of value... hardest money wins in action. Bitcoin is now doing this to gold and every store of value on the planet thanks to better design.
>How do you even trade your bitcoin when there is no network for you to connect to?
This is P2P money first, just because it has now scaled to 10M+ users doesn't mean it can't run like it originally did, with 1 miner and 1 node. It can scale all the way back down to the size of whatever is required in your doomsday scenario. It will still be the hardest money in the universe in that scenario since all networks will be equally affected by the blackswan, so the people that do continue using it will appreciate its lossless storage and retrieval of human labor/time energy. We already have the blockstream satellite for transactions (Puerto Ricans were using BTC while banks were closed due to no electricity after the recent hurricane) and over the next decade nodes and miners will be put in space (probably by SpaceX and other large holders pushing for multi planetary human existence)... the network hasn't gone down in 12 years and after space nodes/miners are in place, the network will never go down unless an extinction level event occurs in our solar system. It is so well designed, it is already a space money solution.
I took another run at this because the longer you take to understand these concepts the poorer you will be. This may be among the most important information you could ever receive at this moment in history but requires knowledge in ~5 disciplines to fully appreciate... ~200 years ago I would've been doing something similar by telling you to convert your silver to gold before the price plummeted into a death spiral.
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> I really do think cryptocurrency and block-chain technology is cool. But the level of hype and double-think is getting insane. I agree with this, the amount of hype makes it hard to find the true innovations in the space, because most of it is honestly shit. > There are plenty of ways to do digital transactions Yes, but Bitcoin was not initially made to just "do digital transactions". It was made to be able to do d…
I believe that this will follow the usual technobubble pattern, pump energy (money) until it blows, gather the remaining working bits on the ground afterwards and come back in 10 years.
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It will not. Bitcoin is literally designed specifically to make sure this never happens. Again, as soon as you manage to develop a way to mine bitcoin more efficiently, the difficulty of mining will automatically go up to make sure you are still wasting just as much energy.
the diff goes up for everyone, not just you. you still have a relative advantage over all the other miners who have not yet reproduced your efficiency gains.
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#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
You need to have a triadic understanding of bitcoin, this is what allows it to be a flat currency, a store of value, and a battery at both one and the same time, through the act of transubstantiation of the coin a quantum state is triggered that allows the individual coin to choose which form it will manifest itself as.
You're spot on, in fact, the superposition is key. You see, bitcoin is actually a time machine. Every block entangles itself with a coordinate in spacetime. This allows anyone in the future to relive any moment in the past by just entering the block number they want to visit. Unfortunately, this same architecture gave birth to both artificial intelligence because of the way it mimics DNA, and a black hole. The inevit…
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Well said. Also purely from the point of view of physics: no energy is stored, you would simply be buying energy _produced_ elsewhere with the intrinsic value you created... in other words you are double spending energy!
It’s not double-spending energy. The chunk of energy you generate isn’t spent by you, it’s supplied to Bitcoin users to power their transactions. You only consume the second chunk of energy for yourself.
That's purely artificial, it's unnecessary, this has been discussed to death. PoW is useless work. You aren't doing useful work you are randomly double SHA2ing energy back out into space just to play the lottery... oh look I found a nonce which hashes to less than the magic number, who cares, this has no material value, it's not functionally useful, it's contrived.
PoW is not fundamental to blockchain or crypto currencies.