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Other challenges to SV’s preeminence are more fundamental than the tech diaspora

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Post by pharmakom »

hodgesrm wrote: post #232
nikanj wrote: post #206

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And just like blockchain, the reason it gets forced into every field is VCs. "We are going to challenge existing players in $market" gets you nothing, "We are going to disrupt $market with blockchain/ML" gets you a eight-digit seed round.

You don’t have to take the money, or at least take it on those terms. Entrepreneurs have agency. They should exercise it.

most common strategy (I think) is to raise with a vague ML promise but execute using whatever makes the most sense in practice

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Post by sangnoir »

baby wrote: post #93
shinkim0914 wrote: post #26

There is no place like Silicon Valley where taking a career risk to quit a job and start a company is normalized, understood, and encouraged.

Yet with the high rents and the lack of universal healthcare it takes a crazy person to take such a risk. I personally will start my startup from abroad when the time is right.

> Yet with the high rents and the lack of universal healthcare it takes a crazy person to take such a risk.

It takes a rich person to take such a risk, but yay, meritocracy!

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Post by ping_pong »

onethought wrote: post #287
ping_pong wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it was weird that you mentioned Taiwan when I mentioned China. Tesla is in the heart of Silicon Valley. Facebook, Google, Apple, Netflix, Uber, Twitter, the list goes on and on. China takes US ideas and copies them, and then releases them in China where they don't have to compete against the US originals. It's a simple fact.

So what is Tencent a copy of? And which application does wechat copy? Or Weibo? What is Huawei a copy of? Your simple fact, sounds awfully like racism.

Tencent started as a rip-off of ICQ. Their application name was literally called OICQ. Then they became a rip off of Zynga. Tencent succeeds because it's safely protected by China, but it would never have gained enough marketshare without that monopoly. That's my entire point.

Huawei is a ripoff of Cisco. It's another company protected by the Chinese government.

And you forget Didi, which is a simple rip off of Uber. Uber was competing against Didi and would have won, except the Chinese government backed Didi and Uber decided it couldn't survive its source of money so they gave up. Didi even engaged in corporate spying, by sending their workers into Uber China to work there, sabotage it, and steal internal data. Didi couldn't win without cheating.

The fact you pull the race card is very sad. It means you're losing the argument.

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Post by onethought »

ping_pong wrote: post #293
onethought wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what is Tencent a copy of? And which application does wechat copy? Or Weibo? What is Huawei a copy of? Your simple fact, sounds awfully like racism.

Tencent started as a rip-off of ICQ. Their application name was literally called OICQ. Then they became a rip off of Zynga. Tencent succeeds because it's safely protected by China, but it would never have gained enough marketshare without that monopoly. That's my entire point. Huawei is a ripoff of Cisco. It's another company protected by the Chinese government. And you forget Didi, which is a simple rip off of Uber.…

So Wechat...?

Also msn messenger was a copy of icq as well... as was AOL instant messenger. But China at the copy-cats?

Huawei are a copy of Cisco!? Yet Huawei make half the worlds telecoms and Cisco don’t.

Uber was always shit in China. Didi was more like Uber X and Uber copied them... Didi won from the beginning.

No, not a race card. You are being racist. Applying a higher standard to Chinese than you apply to Americans. That’s called prejudice, and racial prejudice is racism.

Edit: To be clear, I’m referring to Ubers original Premium service in China. I’m not sure they even got to Uber X in China.

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Post by ping_pong »

onethought wrote: post #294
ping_pong wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tencent started as a rip-off of ICQ. Their application name was literally called OICQ. Then they became a rip off of Zynga. Tencent succeeds because it's safely protected by China, but it would never have gained enough marketshare without that monopoly. That's my entire point. Huawei is a ripoff of Cisco. It's another company protected by the Chinese government. And you forget Didi, which is a simple rip off of Uber.…

So Wechat...? Also msn messenger was a copy of icq as well... as was AOL instant messenger. But China at the copy-cats? Huawei are a copy of Cisco!? Yet Huawei make half the worlds telecoms and Cisco don’t. Uber was always shit in China. Didi was more like Uber X and Uber copied them... Didi won from the beginning. No, not a race card. You are being racist. Applying a higher standard to Chinese than you apply to Amer…

I'm Asian, so it looks like you're the racist for assuming I'm white. I'm not even American.

Anyway, you keep thinking what you want to think, you're entitled to your opinion. But it's not backed up by actual facts, so you're not living in reality, but that's also your right.

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Post by mrgordon »

slimsag wrote: post #70
mrgordon wrote: post #64

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Because the younger talent they’re trying to attract prefers a lively city to the suburban sprawl with good schools

The younger talent they are trying to recruit prefers a lively city with broad culture and opportunities, which exist in many places outside of SV - and in different forms than just the tech mono-culture that SF is today.

Sure but the person I was replying to was talking specifically about Silicon Valley versus SF.

There are many cities out there that will attract people certainly. I don’t live in the Bay Area anymore so I can relate.

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Post by onethought »

ping_pong wrote: post #295
onethought wrote: post #294

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Wechat...? Also msn messenger was a copy of icq as well... as was AOL instant messenger. But China at the copy-cats? Huawei are a copy of Cisco!? Yet Huawei make half the worlds telecoms and Cisco don’t. Uber was always shit in China. Didi was more like Uber X and Uber copied them... Didi won from the beginning. No, not a race card. You are being racist. Applying a higher standard to Chinese than you apply to Amer…

I'm Asian, so it looks like you're the racist for assuming I'm white. I'm not even American. Anyway, you keep thinking what you want to think, you're entitled to your opinion. But it's not backed up by actual facts, so you're not living in reality, but that's also your right.

I never assumed you were white. Just pointed out you were racist. You’ve now double downed on it with some strange implication that Asians can’t be racist.

Actually everything I’ve said is backed by fact, please point out where I’m factually incorrect.

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Post by ubertoop »

onethought wrote: post #276
ubertoop wrote: post #260

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This list includes no genuinely new innovations except for maybe 5G. You are listing that China is a major manufacturer, which is true. The OPs point was that China has a record of stealing IP from the US, which is also true. Listing manufacturers in China doesn't disprove this point. So please, if you'd like, a list of genuine technologies who's origins can be traced to China... I'll be waiting.

So WeChat, and 5G. Should be discounted because they don’t support your point, and you will wait for others? Got it! - Facial recognition on banking transactions. - Tele Health rolled out via their ubiquitous home grown social network - AI drones policing temperature and mask wearing - real-time automatic translation hardware and software. - Chinese based text input via keyboards - Chinese voice recognition (a differ…

Most of the things you've listed here use WESTERN TECH just re-applied for a Chinese market, and you're calling that innovation? The fact that you had to list "Chinese based text input via keyboards" as a genuine Chinese innovation is telling.

Done with this discussion. You can't seem to come up with even 2 genuine Chinese innovations and instead refer to the reapplication of tech developed in the western world.

Nobody is saying China can't take what others have done and improve on it. That is happening more and more. It used to be China just straight up copied and stole intellectual property. I'll admit that line is beginning to blur. But genuine novel innovation is still very lacking.

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Post by onethought »

ubertoop wrote: post #298
onethought wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So WeChat, and 5G. Should be discounted because they don’t support your point, and you will wait for others? Got it! - Facial recognition on banking transactions. - Tele Health rolled out via their ubiquitous home grown social network - AI drones policing temperature and mask wearing - real-time automatic translation hardware and software. - Chinese based text input via keyboards - Chinese voice recognition (a differ…

Most of the things you've listed here use WESTERN TECH just re-applied for a Chinese market, and you're calling that innovation? The fact that you had to list "Chinese based text input via keyboards" as a genuine Chinese innovation is telling. Done with this discussion. You can't seem to come up with even 2 genuine Chinese innovations and instead refer to the reapplication of tech developed in the western world. Nobo…

I started with 5G. I know it's devastating to your case so you'll ignore it, but that is where I started.

The great firewall?

Social credit system?

Automated J-walking tickets based on facial recognition?

Tell me where those were copied from in the west.

Everyone just straight up and copies and steals intellectual property (Xerox, Apple, Windows)... But when china does, it's some how "china just steals everything".

Also there is piles of innovation in the "boring stuff" like "how to actually make a battery" or "smart phone manufacture" that is almost exclusively in Asia (and predominantly china). Or in BYDs case (the company that was making mass produced electric cars long before Tesla "innovated"), making batteries that are environmentally friendly when disposed of.

But hey, you're done with this discussion. So enjoy the blissful ignorance.

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Post by lanstin »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #177
mempko wrote: post #24

Overall this is a really good piece. O'Reilly is wrong that the world was unprepared. South east Asia was prepared and handled it Amazingly. It's not just communist governments that did well, New Zealand and Australia did well too. However, the western world was unprepared and despite being rich, failed it's people... Especially the USA and UK. O'Reilly is right that we need to switch gears and solve climate change i…

> O'Reilly is right that we need to switch gears and solve climate change instead of more social media ad tech development Solving climate change in relevant timescales involves severe cuts to consumption, which will cause havoc because it will mess with all the economic growth projections people expect, which will cause short term pain even if it accomplishes long term gain. I wouldn’t hold my breath.

So much for innovation. I am sure China will deploy enough carbon free power infra
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