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Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by josefx »

hef19898 wrote: post #222
afavour wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But as more blood-clot deaths emerge... you gotta think caution is wise. Last I saw it's 30 blood-clot deaths. Given the number of people that have received the vaccine that's a tiny, tiny amount. Even if those 30 were directly linkable to the vaccine (and so far no such link has been proven) you could still make the argument that the benefits of mass vaccinations outweigh the concern. I don't envy anyone in charge…

Some anti baby pills cause 8-12 trombose cases in 10,000 women. And they are properly tested, approved and on the market. Usually I don't read notes coming with meds, but I am almost sure that even everyday stuff has potentially deadly side effects in the ball park number of the blood cloths AZ is causing.

> And they are properly tested, approved and on the market.

And there would probably be an investigation into that the moment people using them showed up growing a third arm instead of getting a trombose.

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Post by nradov »

fab1an wrote: post #133

Looks like this may be a bit more relevant than many of the snarky comments would suggest - the relevant German authority on this said that they have seen a unexpected increase in a specific type of blood clotting issue that usually is very rare: https://www.pei.de/DE/newsroom/hp-meldungen/2021/210315-voru...

Is there any correlation with ABO blood type? Usually non-O blood types are more prone to clotting disorders.

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Post by qbasic_forever »

HenryBemis wrote: post #279
qbasic_forever wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talk to your doctor before making decisions. Taking aspirin right before a vaccine might not be a good idea as it can blunt your immune system response, but the whole point of a vaccine is to elicit a strong immune response that builds memory. I know acetaminophen is specifically mentioned as something not to take right before the COVID-19 vaccines (and afterwards, if you can deal with the immune response naturally).

>can blunt your immune system response (Not a doctor) From listening to the "Faucis" of various countries (incuding the original): I believe that the vaccine is not a watered down virus , so technically you are not making yourself vulnerable/more sensitive to the virus. It is suppsed to 'teach' your body how to build the defence. Only the Chinese virus is a 'watered down' version of the virus. All the others (includi…

What in the world are you going on about? Drugs can make your immune system's response less severe--this is straight medical fact, look up diphenhydramine (benadryl) or anti-histamines in general.

No where did I say any of these vaccines are 'live' or even attenuated coronavirus. It is 100% impossible to get infected with covid-19 from any of the vaccines. However it is possible to take a drug which lowers your immune system response and you fail to build a strong response to the vaccine and the spike protein RNA or other bits in the vaccine. Hence why I said _talk to your doctor before doing anything like taking aspirin right before the vaccine_.

This site is full of pure lunacy when it comes to any COVID-19 or medical issues. The comments in this thread and many others over the past weeks are just unbelievable low quality. Folks, stay in your lanes with software and startups...

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Post by alecco »

Frypa wrote: post #249
leto_ii wrote: post #131

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While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your idea, couldn't you make the opposite case as well? Namely that since the AstraZeneca vaccine is mostly British, the government of that country has an interest in hiding/downplaying potentially harmful side-effects? As far as I know by now a bunch of European countries have already suspended vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine. These include France, Germany, Italy a…

This. I've lived in both Germany and UK and from my humble experience with both the government and the health standards, I think it's more likely the UK/AZ are downplaying this. It could be that they are right and the impact is minimal given that millions of people have been vaccinated. But I do believe the german version here more. The tory government can't be trusted.

Are you saying the NHS is complicit in hiding deaths due to vaccines?

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Post by pkaye »

rossdavidh wrote: post #201

So, does anyone know why Astra/Zeneca is not approved in the U.S.? Did they not try, or it's still ongoing, or did they have problems?

The trial were delayed. I read just today that the results are being reviewed to see if sufficient for submittal to the FDA.

Re: Germany pauses AstraZeneca vaccinations as a 'precaution'

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Post by chmod775 »

Absolute fucking stupidity.

Thirty cases of blood clotting out of five million. More people will die because they're not vaccinated.

And that's ignoring the fact that this may just be a statistical blip. There's a lot of diseases humans could catch, and sometimes there's going to be clusters.

German politicians said they're suspending vaccinations "out of an abundance of caution".

Given these numbers, we should continue to vaccinate out of an abundance of caution.

These people would refuse to board a rescue vessel because "it seems kind of unstable" and prefer to keep treading water.

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Post by yoaviram »

chmod775 wrote: post #296

Absolute fucking stupidity. Thirty cases of blood clotting out of five million. More people will die because they're not vaccinated. And that's ignoring the fact that this may just be a statistical blip. There's a lot of diseases humans could catch, and sometimes there's going to be clusters. German politicians said they're suspending vaccinations "out of an abundance of caution". Given these numbers, we should conti…

An hypothesis: I'm not sure about Germany but in France, Spain and several other European countries 40% of the population do not want to get vaccinated. I believe the countries that have suspended AZ have done so so that those who generally doubt the safety of vaccination don't have a reason to further doubt this one. Even if a small percentage of those 40% is convinced by this act it's a large number of people.

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Post by kube-system »

HenryBemis wrote: post #279
qbasic_forever wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Talk to your doctor before making decisions. Taking aspirin right before a vaccine might not be a good idea as it can blunt your immune system response, but the whole point of a vaccine is to elicit a strong immune response that builds memory. I know acetaminophen is specifically mentioned as something not to take right before the COVID-19 vaccines (and afterwards, if you can deal with the immune response naturally).

>can blunt your immune system response (Not a doctor) From listening to the "Faucis" of various countries (incuding the original): I believe that the vaccine is not a watered down virus , so technically you are not making yourself vulnerable/more sensitive to the virus. It is suppsed to 'teach' your body how to build the defence. Only the Chinese virus is a 'watered down' version of the virus. All the others (includi…

> Only the Chinese virus is a 'watered down' version of the virus. All the others (including the Russian) is an RNA-type-thingie.

This is not true. There are 11 current vaccines in use around the world, of 4 different types. Even the vaccine mentioned in this article is an adenovirus-vector vaccine.

The Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines are the only mRNA vaccines.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_vaccine#Vaccine_types

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Post by donovanian »

systemvoltage wrote: post #232

The PR damage alone from this move is undeniably going to cause an unimaginable amount of loss. People who were on the fence of taking the vaccine have just solidified on their decision.

The PR damage happens when authorities engage in noble lying and all of this weird non-transparent messaging.

Public health really hasn't been upfront with a lot, and their back and forth on a number of issues, while maintaining this air of authority is ultimately counter-productive to building trust.

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Post by mynameisvlad »

ArkanExplorer wrote: post #277
lm28469 wrote: post #245

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> Or perhaps not, given that 2020 deaths in Germany were 985,145, only 4.85% higher than 2019, and only 3.2% higher than 2018 (and so basically in line with what we would expect from an aging society). Are we still having this debate.... Of course the overall mortality didn't change much, people stayed at home for literally 75% of the year. Do you have the split stats for accidental deaths, road deaths, disease relat…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-... Sweden, 2020 deaths only 6.2% higher than 2018, and following a weak 2019 flu season. These are entirely acceptable death figures within the context of aging European societies. COVID is basically a once-a-decade flu variant: like Swine Flu in 2009, which came and went without lockdown: https://swprs.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/sweden-monthly-... So C…

> Or alternatively, they wish to push the vaccines and end of lockdown into Spring/Summer, where natural seasonality will take care of COVID and give the appearance that lockdown and vaccines were a success.

Did you somehow forget that this is the second year of Covid? We've already gone through the whole "natural seasonality" cycle and the disease is very much still here.

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