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Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

xiphias2 wrote: post #284
IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i disagree wholeheartedly in that it is more cooperative. Switzerland is anything but cooperative. But that's what makes this country so great. We take our divisions, within cantons, and leverage them for positive externalities to (accidentally) benefit the greater good. In CH, every very canton sets their own citizenship policy. Its not a coincidence. Did you hear about the woman that's been living in Zug, and been…

One important thing that was not argued well in my opinion is that the Swiss National Bank pegged its Swiss franc to the euro on Sept. 6, 2011. I lost a lot of money on that day, because I had all my net worth in CHF, as I trusted it to keep its value and not be devalued fast. The good thing that came out from it is that I realized that even Switzerland's central bank cannot be trusted, and moved to Bitcoin. I never…

The tiny swiss were the last to delink its currency to gold. They tried really hard, under enormous pressure, but finally relented in 2000 with the new constitution, where the delink was tied to a bunch of other constitutional directives..

So in summary - The country can only do so much before the big guns aimed at it take their pound of flesh.

I am not sure the central bank is faultless in the example you cite, however, appreciate that we live in a world where other powerful people are not interested in the well being of swiss banking customers.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Post by alberth »

Did the title change because from the article I see it as “ Digital identity scheme shot down by voters over data privacy concerns” ... which is much different than HN “Switzerland bites against electronic ID systems provided by private companies”

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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

bitcharmer wrote: post #205
marcod wrote: post #79

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Well, that same system also voted on banning Muslim face coverings ("Experts estimate that at most a few dozen Muslim women wear full-face coverings in the country of 8.5 million people."), while a pandemic is going on and face coverings for protection are recommended. https://apnews.com/article/health-legislation-coronavirus-pa...

What's wrong with banning a backwards custom that limits women's rights?

i think your point is valid but still shouldn't enter the fray.

This is about swiss nationality and customs. Not about women's rights.

Just like you don't go to your greek neighbor's dinner party wearing a turkish flag, there are things you don't do when you are the guest at someone else's party.

The burka represents a lot of very nasty things, in countries that the overwhelming majority (60%) believe 911 was totally OK and beheading or stoning minorities is OK.

The fact is, you don't frown on people because they are spitting on some ideal of freedom. You frown of them because they don't get the basic rules of decency.

My house. My rules.

Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Post by xiphias2 »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #291
xiphias2 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One important thing that was not argued well in my opinion is that the Swiss National Bank pegged its Swiss franc to the euro on Sept. 6, 2011. I lost a lot of money on that day, because I had all my net worth in CHF, as I trusted it to keep its value and not be devalued fast. The good thing that came out from it is that I realized that even Switzerland's central bank cannot be trusted, and moved to Bitcoin. I never…

The tiny swiss were the last to delink its currency to gold. They tried really hard, under enormous pressure, but finally relented in 2000 with the new constitution, where the delink was tied to a bunch of other constitutional directives.. So in summary - The country can only do so much before the big guns aimed at it take their pound of flesh. I am not sure the central bank is faultless in the example you cite, howe…

I understand the pressure that Switzerland was in, and I don’t really care as I got back the money I lost on that day by many times.

At the same time I was used to the trains and trams being precise by the second in Zurich (I loved taking the train to work every day), and everything being predictable, that’s why it was a wake-up call for me.

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Post by alfiedotwtf »

esja wrote: post #8

Quite a few people who voted against this did so purely because they didn’t want private companies controlling the system. If the proposal had been for the government to issue and control the identities, it may well have passed.

And once everyone forgets about it, a right-wing government will privatise to the same orgs that would have gotten the contracts... it’s just putting off the inevitable :(

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Post by cmehdy »

yawaworht1978 wrote: post #274
cmehdy wrote: post #74

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Which makes a lot of sense in Switzerland, since "the government is the people" is more true than in the overwhelming majority of countries on Earth. Pragmatic take from the Swiss as usual :) (said by a jealous French citizen)

Mon ami ne crois pas tout ce que tu entends.

C'est pas ce que j'entends, c'est simplement les faits. Les décisions par referendum c'est grosso modo unique au monde, contrairement aux multiples couches de gouvernance qu'on peut voir dans plein d'autres pays (que ce soit le modèle Britannique/Commonwealth, les modèles des pays Latino-Américains, le modèle Français..)

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Post by kiwijamo »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #285
exoque wrote: post #253

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> I also get all my bills digitally So do I. In Switzerland.

All my bills are digital and paid digitally out of an account that I put money in every month digitally. In Texas.

Same here in New Zealand.

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Post by 101008 »

jeffrallen wrote: post #136
101008 wrote: post #66

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So taking a screenshot of a Instagram convesation and sharing on Twitter or Facebook or whenever is ilegal and against the constitution?

Yes, and in fact avoiding abuses like this are part of the digital education offered in school. People are also pretty careful about asking for permission before publishing a person's photo. Swiss discretion is not only a marketing tactic, it is also a good habit many people keep.

So, for example, let's say I am a married guy hitting another woman. If this woman screenshots these chats and want to publish them on Instagram or even share them with my wife, that would be ilegal and they could be in trouble?

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Post by brunobronosky »

I haven't read the details of the proposal, but I'll compare it to my ideal situation. I'm in the US so my view is influenced that way. I loathe that my Social Security number and/or signature is the key to my identity. I think every individual should be able to choose how they are "identified". If you choose to be identified by the government system, fine. If you choose to be identified by Equifax, fine. If I choose to be identified by a gpg private/public key pair, I should also have that right.

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Post by Dylan16807 »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #289
XorNot wrote: post #224

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Because the presumption is that the women in question are being forced to do this and don't want to. But your solution is to implement a law which punishes the victim, rather then doing anything about their presumed victimizer. If the women who didn't want to wear the covering didn't want to wear it, what is stopping them from simply not doing it to start with? The answer of course is husband's, brothers, family etc.…

The laws of religion should not override those of the state. To do so would lead to a theocracy and that has been shown to be almost universally bad on any large scale.

The laws of the state shouldn't go out of their way to get in the way of the laws of religion, doing so for no real reason other than spite.

To do so creates conflict where there should be none, which is against the very purpose of a state.

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