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Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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post #116

I think women have largely been presented a false promise by progressives: value and purpose is derived from work, go do what men do to be their equal. It’s not necessarily anybody’s fault, we live in a society where money is valued. But I wish we could structure society in a way such that the value of raising children, homemaking, is clearly communicated and understood. Being a mother without a snazzy career is frow…

Interestingly, single, childless women are also the happiest population demographic. ( https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-h... ) I don't disagree homemaking should be less stigmatized, but the real problem is American startup culture that expects this kind of around-the-clock all-in hustle mentality. The vast majority of businesses are actually just small firms with a few people that make a de…

I wonder what the data looks like if you regress happiness onto age for single women.

I have no difficulty believing single, childless women are very happy in their 20s and 30s. I wonder though if that rapidly changes past 40.

I would hypothesize the same effect happens for men as well.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If your only goal is to accumulate capital over your lifespan, then you won't have children at all, since they're tremendously expensive and have no dollar return.

They're a great way to add some diversity to your retirement portfolio. Young able bodies that can get a job and provide you with food and shelter in your old age are the original inflation proof investment. Also, kids are awesome.

>Young able bodies that can get a job... are the original inflation proof investment.

Not quite sure that is true: https://i.stack.imgur.com/Mk1AG.jpg

>Also, kids are awesome.

If I am a dollar optimizer, the only thing I care about is money. How much can I sell "awesome" for? Can I skip a step and sell the children directly?

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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post #274
post #67

Your whole blog resonates deeply with me. All this corporate grifting and women's empowerment months will do jack shit until we figure out how to make workplaces and lives more equitable for mothers and allowing for gaps, breaks and destigmatizing time off for parents of both genders. Instead, we talk about how sexism is the biggest problem. Sure, sexism might be annoying, but in the west, it is hardly something that…

I agree with much of what you say except that "women have different needs". I would say each person has different needs and to divide into the male/female binary is a fairly restrictive definition of gender as I have come to understand it. My wife and I have twins a little less than 2 years old, we are both ~35, but we live in rural-ish NH not SV. She has taken the last 2+ years off for the pregnancy and to function…

> The point I am making is that kind of gender bifurcation doesn't fit the mold that I (a cis-gendered, white man) fit so I find it less plausible that a less-represented person would match it either as my "group" [more accurate term requested] has largely set the social norms.

I don’t understand this conclusion at all. You just described a fairly standard situation, and then said trying to apply historical understandings of gender don’t work... and yet they fit perfectly within the story you provided.

To me the issue has always been allowing other to define success for you.

If you find success is being a high powered executive who spends 90hrs a week working, then do that, and don’t let someone else tell you that having kids is the only metric of success.

If your definition of success is raising children who are normal humans and can function in society and make it a better place, then do that; and don’t let anyone tell you that success can only be found in working and being valued at ever higher dollar amounts.

Your definition of success is exactly that: YOURS not anyone else’s and you shouldn’t take anyone else’s definition and try to apply it to yourself.

I think most of society’s current problems stem from everyone using some amorphous societal understanding of success that no one has defined, but thinks everyone else knows. You be your best as you understand that to be. That’s the only path to happiness. Trying to conform to some gender philosopher’s definition is a rabbit hole that leads no where good.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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I'm not so sure freezing eggs is sound advice. Lord Winston, who is professor of fertility studies at Imperial College London, warned that it was "a very unsuccessful technology" and said: "The number of eggs that actually result in a pregnancy after freezing is about 1%." He later clarified he was referring to live births. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-51463488#:~:text=Lord%20Wins... . “It’s not like I would disco…

A 2018 study [1] showed that kids conceived via IVF had abnormal arterial development. IIRC, teenagers had arteries that were as stiff as an average 40-year-old. 1: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815705/

Ehhh... the only conclusion I can see there is that more study is warranted. The sample was n=17, normal BMI children currently living in CA with parents who used Stanford for IVF. The control was several years older, and looking at the box plots there's substantial overlap in most measurements.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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post #32
post #3

I empathize with how hard it is for a female founder in particular and for a woman in general when it comes to mixing children with a career. That said the advice to freeze your eggs (ie work now, live later) rubs me the wrong way. I wish we could live in a society where people would not have to work themselves to death and were able to... you know... enjoy life

Potentially controversial thought here, but I'd like to bring it up for discussion. I feel like the work ethic I see throughout the industry is extremely toxic to society, and leads to some of this. In China for example there's a so-called "996" work schedule (9am-9pm, 6 days a week) which is basically expected of everyone in tech, unfortunately, and it seems Silicon Valley is heading that direction as well with all…

A bit of cultural context on "996" even though most of my cousins in China don't work in tech, the context is useful.

The mandated retirement age is 60 over there so most of my aunts and uncles who have grandkids are primary childcare providers for my cousins. Due to the one child policy from a generation ago, each baby today has 6 adult caretakers, 2 of whom work full time (sometimes "996"), 4 of whom are retired and take shifts on childcare, household tasks, or ordering delivery / grocery shopping. Some of my cousins have opted for a second child, which means 4 60-ish caretakers for 2 kiddos. It's not too bad when there's good communication and teamwork between the adults, even though several of my cousins actually have never changed a diaper and I have no idea how they'll manage when it's their turn to be a grandparent in 20-30 years time.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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post #3

I empathize with how hard it is for a female founder in particular and for a woman in general when it comes to mixing children with a career. That said the advice to freeze your eggs (ie work now, live later) rubs me the wrong way. I wish we could live in a society where people would not have to work themselves to death and were able to... you know... enjoy life

> I wish we could live in a society where people would not have to work themselves to death and were able to... you know... enjoy life

Compared to almost everyone else who ever lived, if you live in a Western Democracy (and increasingly for many in some non-Western countries), that time is now.

People from past centuries, and people from many poor nations around the world, would be baffled that people living with the opportunities we have available to us complaining about not being able to "enjoy life".

Things certainly aren't perfect, but seize the opportunities already being afforded to you for enjoyment.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All this corporate grifting and women's empowerment months will do jack shit until we figure out how to make workplaces and lives more equitable for mothers and allowing for gaps, breaks and destigmatizing time off for parents of both genders. Exactly this. Generous maternity leave and at least 0.25x paternity leave. I am not a woman, so I can't possibly begin to imagine how tough pregnancy is on a body. I also rea…

There's zero legitimate reason to gender parental leave either way. Not because "muh equality" or sexism or anything like that, but it should be "new kid == n weeks leave," whether you're the biological mother, father, adoptive parent, had a biological child via surrogate, whatever.

Best of luck calming the baby down without the mother.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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In the United States, it's economically difficult verging on impossible for young people to have and raise children. Between the increasing costs of housing, childcare, and education, it shouldn't surprise anyone that more and more people are putting off starting a family until they're able to earn and save a substantial amount of money. That leads people like the author of this post to the very rational decision to…

>In the United States, it's economically difficult

I doubt that until you pretend to have living conditions on par with these in Pakistan.

I bet people simply are ambitious, and have way higher expectations regarding living standards, hence this feeling of struggling in pursuing the expected standards.

> you need to fix things up from the material conditions

Birth rates:

Pakistan: 3.51

India: 2.22

US: 1.73

Denmark: 1.73

Seems like living conditions doesn't matter that much, or the correlation is negative.

> If you want a society where people are practically free to start a family

Do I? Why would I want a world where people are practically free to start a family? I think people who would like to start a family should prove that they a responsible and can manage at least their own life, not to mention the life of an infant.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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I think maybe a wider perspective is needed on this topic. Instead of the assumption that women should have more resources for fertility as a founder of a company or trying to run/work at a startup, let's examine why that assumption exists, which is men in a similar position.

Male founders also face hardships in rearing children when working demanding jobs, but less so than women, partly because of the luck of the genetic draw, and partly because as a culture we are more lenient and have less expectations of fathers. The good parent will have problems no matter their gender (but harder for women obviously, who carry the child to term), but men can get away with being more absent and less involved without as much judgement.

What if instead of taking at face value that people in these positions should have resources allocated to make it easier to raise children, we instead focus on their choices. They made a choice to go into a high risk venture for the possible payout of money and/or more control over their future. Worded in a more harsh way, what's being asked is "Why aren't more resources and attention focused on me while I attempt to play the lotto and become a millionaire, or work my high paying job?" Perhaps the answer to this should instead of providing additional support to women and men in child rearing in an industry that pays famously well and is getting less and less tethered to locale by the day, we instead decide to stigmatize fathers that focus more on their career than their children?

That's not to say I think we shouldn't as a society focus on making child rearing easier, especially for those without as many resources, but I'm not sure focusing on those that have chosen to make the trade-off already to pursue a demanding and risky career for the chance at a large payout is what we should be doing. If they benefit somewhat from societal changes, that's great, but I'm not really going to shed a tear over founders complaining how hard it is with a pregnancy or rearing a small child to raising funding for the next round, whether they be male or female. They've made very specific life choices to put themselves into that position, and I don't think it's out of bounds to say maybe taking the hard and risky path doesn't always pay off.

Note: This is probably way more harsh than I intend it to be, and it's not exactly a correct representation of my feelings on this, but I think it is a perspective worth considering. That is, to a small degree I'm playing devil's advocate here.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Fertility

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not clear what you're asking for exactly, but the solution is obvious: give whatever it is that you want to provide to EVERYONE, regardless of their gender, and whether or not they actually have children. Special treatment for everyone.

This is a nice sentiment, but doing so would have unintended consequences. For example, in most top universities, they give roughly the same leave to new fathers as new mothers. New mothers use this time to care for their baby, but many new fathers use this time as an extended sabbatical/research leave. Their wives take care of the baby for the most part, and they work on their next book. Then when it comes time for…

I don't think the goal should be to eliminate disparities. I think it should be eliminate obstacles.

If the husband and wife agree that they want to use their combined paternity/maternity in a given way, who are you or I to tell them that they can't? The wife could just as well force the husband to take care of the child and work on her own next book. Or the pair could stagger their leaves so that they spend equal time taking care of the baby.

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