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Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by Mauricebranagh »

anticristi wrote: post #255
Nasrudith wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that comes across as hypocritical and makes the rationales come across as lies. "Consent for data sharing is important - except when we do it!" isn't a very good look even if there are valid reasons for tax return transparency it goes against their own stated principles.

You don't always need consent. There are 6 legal reasons to collect data. "Public interest" as with tax returns is one. As another example, the post office is allowed to collect and process your address, since otherwise they could not fulfill their contract to deliver your parcel (contractual obligations). Similarly, paramedics don't need to worry about asking for consent from a patient that is unconscious: They can…

Collecting doesn't include publishing it to the public, the NHS collects data about me but it doesn't hand it out willy nilly.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

StavrosK wrote: post #247
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #231

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I mean, if they're still make profit then it's not really hurting, is it? Any impact on the decision makers?

Well if you took away 30% of my year's income I'd be quite hurt.

Do you mean emotionally hurt or, like, you'd struggle to eat hurt?

Did they reduce CEO income by 30%? I'd be impressed if they had. Mind you some CEOs take 1000× median income so 30% is still pretty unlikely to hurt them (but I don't know the relevant details in this case).

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by StavrosK »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #292
StavrosK wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well if you took away 30% of my year's income I'd be quite hurt.

Do you mean emotionally hurt or, like, you'd struggle to eat hurt? Did they reduce CEO income by 30%? I'd be impressed if they had. Mind you some CEOs take 1000× median income so 30% is still pretty unlikely to hurt them (but I don't know the relevant details in this case).

Do you think the fine should have been big enough that the company would struggle to function?

It needed to be big enough to make it cheaper to comply than not. I believe it achieved that purpose. Anything else is just revenge.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

Saint_Genet wrote: post #277
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't that be "bi[-curious] married family fathers", mainly, assuming you're not suggesting they all fathered children against their will. Or, maybe you mean people who never had/never intended to have homosexual sex? Are there published stats you're referencing?

I mean men who have self-internalized being straight due to living in a homophobic society. And I speak from personal experience as a long time Grindr user.

I see a lot of comments [in general on the web] calling people 'gay' when those people clearly had/are having both heterosexual and homosexual relationships. Things like "Freddie Mercury was gay" when Brian May attests that Mercury enjoyed heterosexual encounters too. The proper definition is bisexual then, it seems.

But perhaps the same reluctance to acknowledge those who seek homosexual relationships is present in people who call themselves gay, they won't acknowledge people as bi? Which seems like hypocritical bias against people whose behaviours are bisexual.

Maybe the behaviour you call out is because people want to have homosexual sex without being 'gay'. By which I mean without making that sexual activity the focus of their identity (I believe it's known as MSM)? It need not have anything particularly to do with societal disapproval.

Who one has sex with, and defining oneself by ones sexuality are quite distinct, as too are sexual desire and desire for relationships.

I'm interested in your response?

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Post by throwaway2245 »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #294
Saint_Genet wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean men who have self-internalized being straight due to living in a homophobic society. And I speak from personal experience as a long time Grindr user.

I see a lot of comments [in general on the web] calling people 'gay' when those people clearly had/are having both heterosexual and homosexual relationships. Things like "Freddie Mercury was gay" when Brian May attests that Mercury enjoyed heterosexual encounters too. The proper definition is bisexual then, it seems. But perhaps the same reluctance to acknowledge those who seek homosexual relationships is present in…

Whether Freddy Mercury was gay or bi is a culture war which doesn't need to be fought. He can and does represent both gay people and bi people in transcending heterosexual norms.

Young people sometimes use the word "gay" to express a complex sexuality which doesn't categorise neatly with a label. It's understood that you can be both "gay" and "bi" simultaneously, or indeed you can be a man who has sex with men who is straight.

The only person in this chat who is trying to put strict labels based on behaviour is you (the other commenter only observed some behaviour without labelling), so it seems like you're arguing with yourself?

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

Vinnl wrote: post #16

> Grindr is now relying on a new consent system and alleged "legitimate interest" to use data without user consent. This is in conflict with the decision of the Norwegian DPA, as it explicitly held that "any extensive disclosure ... for marketing purposes should be based on the data subject’s consent". This "legitimate interest" shenanigans is coming up more and more often, where you have a modal with lots of options…

My biggest bugbear with these multi-modals is that much of the time the buttons that turn consent on or off are not labelled. You're supposed to guess from their colour and default position what is on and what is off, so when I make a choice I never know for sure how the website interpreted my choice.

Some have an "accept all" button that could perhaps reveal which is "on" and which is "off", since when you press it all the buttons go to "on". But this happens so quickly and the modal is closed immediately afterwards, that there's no time to tell. And of course by then you've already accepted so it doesn't matter.

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Post by yarcob »

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #274
yarcob wrote: post #270

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This is getting a bit off-topic, but there are good reasons why biometric data is especially sensitive. For example, the GDPR emphasizes the "right to be forgotten". If something bad happened to you, you may not want to be forever defined by that event. A kidnapped person might not want to be forever known as just a crime victim. So they can ask Google to remove mentions of their name, and they can even legally chang…

As another note on your claim of the necessity of address: It would be absolutely trivial to implement a system where one might requæst a randomly generated code with the postal service, that can be placed on a letter that maps to one's real address, except of course, that the real address cannot be retrieved from it, which is hidden with the postal service. With such a trivial scheme, it would be possible to receive…

I'm late to reply, but in Austria the postal service happens to offer multiple services similar to this.

You can rent a "post box" for letters or packages. You pay a monthly fee and get a post box number. You provide your post box number instead of the address, and then you can pick up your mail from the post office.

They also have a forwarding service. Same thing but they deliver it to your home.

Also, many online stores let you deliver directly to a post office or even to self service pick up stations.

So there are ways to shop online without providing your address. But these services are not used very much. I guess most people don't care as much about the secrecy of their address.

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