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Re: 1MB Club

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Post by mobjack »

aresant wrote: post #58

From a "Why, who cares" perspective website (and app) speed are highly correlated with conversion and engagement. Google's headline research on the subject says "Improving your load time by 0.1s can boost conversion rates by 8%." Some add'l data, sourced by Neilsen Group below: - Google found that increasing the load time of its SERPs by half a second resulted in a 20% higher bounce rate. - Google found 53% of mobile…

Those studies all come from companies trying to sell you something.

They seemed to come from when mobile phones were much slower when there was a valid use for AMP pages. A/B test data is very easy to cherry pick from and you can see a 10% increase in conversation based on random chance. I can see my marketing team misinterpret data like that and use it for promotion. I am skeptical.

I improved the initial loading speed of a website so it was 30% faster on an old mobile phone and it made no difference in conversation based on the analytics.

Most people used faster phones with faster internet that it really didn't matter. After the first page load, most of the bloated assets were cached so even those with slow connections were relatively fast navigating further.

There could be some types of websites where speed matters more like if you promoted click bait articles with high bounce rates. But if you have high quality content, it isn't going to be that important unless you have really terrible bloat.

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Post by m463 »

bnchrch wrote: post #45

Ahh let the bikeshedding continue. In these situations all I want to say is "Who cares". Optimization matters when it actually solves a problem, before that it's just wasted effort. I don't hear the general public yelling from the rooftops "The web is too slow! Developers are building too fast! I wish we could go backwards!"

I believe in this case it illustrates that lightweight is possible.

I think it might be like bicycle parts. It is ridiculous that parts are sold with a pricetag PLUS a weight in grams.

I mean, you could save the equivalent of $100 by wearing a short-sleeved shirt.

But those obsessive people end up making most bicycles lighter weight, and thus bike rides for normal people are more enjoyable.

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Post by marcinzm »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #127
aresant wrote: post #58

From a "Why, who cares" perspective website (and app) speed are highly correlated with conversion and engagement. Google's headline research on the subject says "Improving your load time by 0.1s can boost conversion rates by 8%." Some add'l data, sourced by Neilsen Group below: - Google found that increasing the load time of its SERPs by half a second resulted in a 20% higher bounce rate. - Google found 53% of mobile…

If nobody cares, why did Google invest so much in amp ?

To compete with Facebook in centrally controlling the internet and the revenue that flows through it. It's their Plan B after their Plan A, Google+, failed.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by marcinzm »

mobjack wrote: post #291
aresant wrote: post #58

From a "Why, who cares" perspective website (and app) speed are highly correlated with conversion and engagement. Google's headline research on the subject says "Improving your load time by 0.1s can boost conversion rates by 8%." Some add'l data, sourced by Neilsen Group below: - Google found that increasing the load time of its SERPs by half a second resulted in a 20% higher bounce rate. - Google found 53% of mobile…

Those studies all come from companies trying to sell you something. They seemed to come from when mobile phones were much slower when there was a valid use for AMP pages. A/B test data is very easy to cherry pick from and you can see a 10% increase in conversation based on random chance. I can see my marketing team misinterpret data like that and use it for promotion. I am skeptical. I improved the initial loading sp…

Some of these, not all, don't even seem to be A/B tests, just correlation being explained as causality.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by kevindong »

tomxor wrote: post #82
mark242 wrote: post #43

Here's the disconnect, which is why these "webpages need to be slim!" sites tend to make me think they're greybeard nostalgia for an internet that doesn't really exist anymore. Your 1mb webpage is approximately 60ms worth of Disney+ streaming. Your 1mb webpage is approximately 1.7s worth of Zoom chat. Your 1mb webpage is approximately 1.9s worth of Tiktok video. Unless you are specifically targeting low-bandwidth use…

> Unless you are specifically targeting low-bandwidth users There aren't some tiny number of low bandwidth users with some esoteric internet problem, there is a significant divide due to technological and geographic reasons. Averages are very misleading when the majority of people in cities connected to various fiber end points keep getting crazier and crazier speeds while 50% of the US is stuck on ADSL, with a theor…

> Averages are very misleading when the majority of people in cities connected to various fiber end points keep getting crazier and crazier speeds while 50% of the US is stuck on ADSL, with a theoretical max of 20Mbit down - add geographical limitations and that's often far lower due to line noise.

Can you cite your source on "50% of the US is stuck on ADSL"? Furthermore, do you mean 50% of the US land area or 50% of the US population? The former is plausible, the latter is not.

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Post by rawoke083600 »

Would be awesome to see a breakdown of the tech on the sites. I just checked my "svelte site", data transferred is 1.1Mb. The biggest hog seems to be Google-Ads(I'm sorry)

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by imperialdrive »

seanwilson wrote: post #233

Here's my example of a non-trivial product landing page weighing in at 0.3MB transferred: https://www.checkbot.io/ Includes analytics, chat client, big product screenshot, theming and payment integration, so you can still do a lot well within 1MB.

KUDOS - That's pretty darn impressive alright.

Re: 1MB Club

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Post by jan6 »

dylan604 wrote: post #244
SilasX wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I was surprised they included pictures in the limit at all -- I mean, sometimes, you need those pictures, and for them to load slower is less important so long as you don't need them to navigate the page.

If you were able to calculate the space in the document flow for those images, I'm fine with the lazy loading. I hate when the page text appears rendered long enough that I start reading, but then lazily loaded items cause the flow to rearrange the text so that I lose my place.

I imagine it should be pretty easy with javascript to set up dummy images, and replace them... probably also doable in pure css, just make them a block element or something, with a set size...
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