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Re: No More Google

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Post by dmacvicar »

mxuribe wrote: post #224
dmacvicar wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started a De-googling process. I documented how I replaced Search, GMail, Fit, Photos and Drive: https://duncan.codes/posts/2020-10-20-migrating-away-google-... This week I made progress with my phone, now running https://calyxos.org/ and using Google services only via https://microg.org/ for Maps and Cloud messaging. In my case, privacy is a reason, but I also consider a system inherently insecure if your account…

Thanks for sharing! Your blog post was very helpful and informative!!

Thanks for your kind words. It motivates to keep writing and sharing.

Re: No More Google

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Post by tpmx »

jason0597 wrote: post #34

These anti-Google discussions come and go on the front page of Hacker News, but I'd be curious to know how many people actually degoogle their lives drastically after reading such discussions and articles. I believe it's more of a case of "Oh my god, Google is so disgusting! Shame on Google!", and then people open up a new tab in Chrome to search on Google about their next restaurant destination as if nothing happene…

I did today. Have moved FB, Linkedin and Github account emails to my own domain so far. So much else to move (a very long tail), but I'm feeling pretty good already.

Btw: Most of these large social sites allow registering multiple emails for a user. That seems sane to use if your attack model primarily is Google attacking you by cancelling you. Keep one gmail email, and add one with your own domain. That's also a backup in case you mess up somehow with domain.

Re: No More Google

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Post by ballenf »

jagged-chisel wrote: post #131
jason0597 wrote: post #34

These anti-Google discussions come and go on the front page of Hacker News, but I'd be curious to know how many people actually degoogle their lives drastically after reading such discussions and articles. I believe it's more of a case of "Oh my god, Google is so disgusting! Shame on Google!", and then people open up a new tab in Chrome to search on Google about their next restaurant destination as if nothing happene…

Personal anecdote, software engineer/techie for 25+yrs: I never react immediately. Unless directly affected by an event, I accumulate information over time and it will influence my decision making. Reacting is too disruptive to my own life, and those of the people I support (e.g. family.) Would an article like this make my family change? No. Many don't care; most don't understand the impact on themselves. My De-Googl…

As my kids get old enough to get an email account, they won't be gmail.com accounts. But I will probably never cancel my gmail account which presumably at some point will have the same stigma as a hotmail or yahoo address does now.

That's the real threat to companies who get to Google's size: their customers dying more so than going to the trouble of switching.

edit to add: Which, I'd guess, is why Google has invested so much in Classrooms.

Re: No More Google

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Post by mxuribe »

bleepblorp wrote: post #274
mxuribe wrote: post #214

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I'm running a test with paid zoho currently (been going for a few months) to see if they're dependable. I bought a test domain name, and signed with their $1 USD/month plan...so far, quite good. I'm somewhat sold...the only reason i haven't taken the plunge yet is i've been distracted at work, so haven't planned out my migration. (i have so much email that i want to plan this delicately.)

I've been using paid Zoho mail for about eight months and have very few complaints. I haven't had any problems with outbound deliverability. However, their inbound post-delivery spam controls are overzealous and categorize almost all mail from new correspondents as spam. The only major problem with Zoho is that they host mail inside US jurisdiction so it's vulnerable to NSA abuses. Mailbox.org (based in Germany) is a…

Thanks very much; quite helpful!

I was aware that my zoho mail is hosted in the U S. I did originally look at mailbox.org as well as as posteo and another European based provider but can't recall why I had discounted them. (None seemed horrible or anything like that; just zoho won it by minor margin.) The beauty of having my own domain is that if I'm unhappy, I can switch later on.

Re: No More Google

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Post by zanmat0 »

avsteele wrote: post #228

I have tried to use FF for year now and I am about to dump it. I want Mozilla to succeed, but there's no way I cold recommend it to friends/family, which is the major thing. Non-major websites, and even big name ones like Intuit's (quickbooks etc) are constantly having problems. I had to go into settings: just to get into bitbucket in the past week because of some 'referrer' issue On mobile, it just crashes constantl…

Edge has been a near-perfect experience for me on Windows 10. I was a massive FF user for over a decade and the only thing I miss is Gesturefy.

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Post by guillem_lefait »

tasuki wrote: post #264
stevenhubertron wrote: post #212

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I moved to DuckDuckGo years ago, Firefox a year ago, from GA to Goat Counter for my personal sites and recently from GMail to Fastmail. It has been slow, but certainly deliberate.

Did you have your own email domain? I have an @gmail.com email and can't even begin to imagine how I could migrate. It's my login everywhere...

I both have a custom domain email (mostly for my own work) and a hey.com account. I did not try not move everything from gmail to one or another email as it would be painful. However, I'm moving things time to time and most of my new subscriptions are using either my own domain or the hey domain. In a year or two, I expect to start to redirect all remaining gmail emails to my new main email.

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Post by clairity »

bleepblorp wrote: post #274
mxuribe wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running a test with paid zoho currently (been going for a few months) to see if they're dependable. I bought a test domain name, and signed with their $1 USD/month plan...so far, quite good. I'm somewhat sold...the only reason i haven't taken the plunge yet is i've been distracted at work, so haven't planned out my migration. (i have so much email that i want to plan this delicately.)

I've been using paid Zoho mail for about eight months and have very few complaints. I haven't had any problems with outbound deliverability. However, their inbound post-delivery spam controls are overzealous and categorize almost all mail from new correspondents as spam. The only major problem with Zoho is that they host mail inside US jurisdiction so it's vulnerable to NSA abuses. Mailbox.org (based in Germany) is a…

note that germany is part of the fourteen eyes, which means it might be easier for the US govt to breach an american’s privacy there than here in the US.

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Post by bntyhntr »

nexuist wrote: post #261
bntyhntr wrote: post #223

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I've also moved to firefox across all my devices. I don't use electron apps. I use google search and gmail both personally and at work. I'm not really _trying_ to degooglify, I'm just degooglifying when the chance comes up. I'm also not hardcore enough to switch over the email on all my accounts, the people who contact me, etc. And I like free things. So one step at a random time it is.

Why not use Electron? That's managed by Microsoft, not Google.

Electron is based on chromium and I want to give non-chromium based things a fighting chance. It also feels like a memory hog and I like running slack in my browser more than as a separate app.

tl;dr nonsensical reasons that don't really stack up but I'm electron free so may as well keep it up

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Post by NomDePlum »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #272
bntyhntr wrote: post #223

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I've also moved to firefox across all my devices. I don't use electron apps. I use google search and gmail both personally and at work. I'm not really _trying_ to degooglify, I'm just degooglifying when the chance comes up. I'm also not hardcore enough to switch over the email on all my accounts, the people who contact me, etc. And I like free things. So one step at a random time it is.

I don't like Electron either, but is it correct to consider it a Google product? I'm not sure. Electron is heavily dependent on code developed and maintained by Google, but then so is Node, and Go, and presumably anything written in Go, such as Docker. Calling all of those Google products seems wrong—but it's true that Node would be in big trouble if Google suddenly stopped maintaining Chrome or something.

I believe the point being made is because Electron uses Chromium they are making an assumption that it has some of the characteristics and possibly tracibility of Chrome.

Not sure if that is or isn't true but I would say it is understandably a different type of worry from using Go or nodejs.

Re: No More Google

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Post by imgabe »

jason0597 wrote: post #34

These anti-Google discussions come and go on the front page of Hacker News, but I'd be curious to know how many people actually degoogle their lives drastically after reading such discussions and articles. I believe it's more of a case of "Oh my god, Google is so disgusting! Shame on Google!", and then people open up a new tab in Chrome to search on Google about their next restaurant destination as if nothing happene…

Over the years due at least party to posts like these I have:

Switched search engine to DuckDuckGo

Switched browser to Firefox

Moved away from Gmail. Still have my account but moved my personal domain to Zoho and started using that for most things.

So there's some effect. On the other hand, I still have an Android phone, and haven't found good replacements for Google maps and Photos

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