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Intermittent fasting from dawn to sunset induces anticancer response

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All the muslim world does 4-week intermittent fasting every year. That'd make it easy to test the asumption of the paper on a large scale population

A very important difference is that you can't drink water during a Ramadan fast. Regardless of what you're doing with your food, deliberately dehydrating yourself is pretty much never justified.

But the article states no eating and no drinking as fasting so it also involves deliberate dehydrating.

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The more you are used to eating in an average meal, the longer it takes to feel "full".

Also, it takes time for the chemical reactions in your body to tell you you are full, so if you eat a little bit, and stop for 15 min, you might very well find that you are full. However, once the taste buds are firing, it’s pretty hard to stop eating mid meal. One way is to take a little bit of food away from all the other food, eat it, and then force yourself to sit there while your blood sugar catches up to tell y…

Growing up my mom would make me wait to get a second serving to see if I was really hungry. It was effective

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Anecdata: I have followed IF with a 1100 calorie deficit per day by only eating 1200 calories at dinner for 3 months. This translated to more than 1kg weight loss per week, pretty reliably. Overall I lost 17kg. I adjusted the TDEE and calorie values as needed to maintain the weight loss speed. The weight loss was extremely fast, but so was the rate at which I lost lean mass. This makes sense, as I didn't exercise muc…

Few things: 1100 calorie deficit is a bit extreme. Shoot for 500, or maybe 750 if you are pretty heavy. How much protein did you eat? You'll maintain more muscle if you eat more protein.. consider 50% of calories from protein. Lifting weights also helps with maintaining lean muscle mass. Alcohol can mess a lot with fluid retention. A good strategy for that when measuring progress is to weigh yourself each day but onl…

Good advice, thanks. There is another aspect here, which is mostly about applying discipline and force of will. Seeing good progress feeds the reward system, and though discipline should be distinct from that, it helps me stay on track if every week I see 1kg lost, as opposed to 0.5kg, which could just be usual weight fluctuations.

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A very important difference is that you can't drink water during a Ramadan fast. Regardless of what you're doing with your food, deliberately dehydrating yourself is pretty much never justified.

But the article states no eating and no drinking as fasting so it also involves deliberate dehydrating.

Yes, because they selected subjects who were observing Ramadan and that makes their study easier to carry out. My point is that the dehydration is counterproductive.

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I've never heard of that 18 hour rule. It's funny because I've read a lot about fasting, but this is news to me, and it seems like this is reported from multiple sources. But I can't seem to find any authoritative references.

The Japanese researcher that got a Nobel Prize for discovering the autophagy mechanisms has a course on edx. Doesn't get much more authoritative than that.

can you please provide the link to the course?

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I don’t think you should be looking at studies when it comes to how you eat, you should be focusing on how you feel, observing your own body and possibly talking to a doctor. I had a really big problem with acid reflux a while back after I stopped drinking alcohol. I visited many gastrologists and most of them offered little to no help, most only prescribed me drugs which was in my opinion not a solution. I finally m…

Focusing on how you feel is also a great way to die prematurely. Hypertension, Heart Disease and Cancer all don't care one iota about how you feel. This has literally nothing to do with what you're talking about other than being about eating habits.

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When you have a certain problem, I might agree. But when you are young and healthy, you can basically eat everything you want and don't feel bad at the moment. The problem is that all the side effects will come later.

Unfortunately food intolerancies could appear at very early childhood causing several gut & non-gut related problems. So in that case a child can't know what is healthy or good because the baseline is so bad.

This is great and much needed advice. My parents didn’t realize my stomach problems early on despite having a decent diet, and it affected me more later in life.

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I've been doing a 16-20 hour fast since the lockdown and WFH, and to be honest I saw a significant decrease in my overall anxiety as a result. Anxiety I often offset with significant amounts of CBD (a $100/month expense). And while there are drawbacks, I can't bench press 215lbs anymore, the overall benefits have been pretty significant that I will keep doing it. My weight was pretty erratic, given the high stress lo…

Is it really fasting though? That's having big lunch and just skipping dinner. Many people do this often unintentionally without calling it fasting at all. You should move at least to 36-40 hours, although even that I don't find particularly special.

They are referring to intermittent fasting, not regular fasting. A lot of the intermittent fasting talks about the windows of fasting but they still eat everyday.

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According to traditional scholars from the four schools of thought, Muslims who live near the poles and either have the sun all day or darkness all day follow the timings for both the five daily prayers, and the times to open and close the fast as well as the dates of when fasting starts and finishes of their nearest neighbouring country which has sunset and sunrise.

Looks very imprecise considering the precision timing of the usual prayers(The prayers start at very exact astronomical time, in a large city like Istanbul you can hear a mosque from a far , then closer and closer ones start the broadcast, then the mosque next to you, then the ones far from you. You can literally observe earths rotation from mosque timings). There's no such thing like national prayer time, muslims us…

The timings for prayers and months have to be precise that is correct but for example, what happens when the moon for Ramadan hasn't been sighted (it starts when the first crescent of the new moon is sighted). In that instance you would follow your neighbouring country. It is true that there are slight variations in the prayer timings between cities so hence when looking at the neighbouring country you would obviously choose the nearest city.

This is the view and ruling of all 4 schools of jurisprudence within the Sunni sect.

Bit of background on schools of thought and sects. Islam is split between Sunni Muslims and Shias. Sunnis make up the majority and within Sunni Muslims there are 4 schools of thought. The rulings between the schools differ based on interpretations of the Quran, Ahaadith (Prophetic sayings), consensus of the Prophet Muhammad's companions and deductive analogy.

The 4 schools of thoughts are not sects, i.e. they consider each other to be Muslims, unlike Sunni Muslims who consider (most) Shia sects, Ahamdis et al to not be Muslim.

An example of a difference in interpretation is the Quran instructs people to wash their faces, arms to the elbows, head and feet to ankles. Now does they include the ankles or not? Does the word "to" define a limit? Then different scholars from the schools of thoughts give their opinion, some say that it does based on certain linguistic evidences, eyewitness accounts of the Prophet Muhammed (p.b.u.h) actions or his sayings and hence that's how the rulings differ.

Source - I am studying, alongside my professional career, Islamic sciences such as theology, jurisprudence, classical Arabic, Hadith and Quran exodus etc and hopefully graduate as an Islamic scholar soon!

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All the muslim world does 4-week intermittent fasting every year. That'd make it easy to test the asumption of the paper on a large scale population

A very important difference is that you can't drink water during a Ramadan fast. Regardless of what you're doing with your food, deliberately dehydrating yourself is pretty much never justified.

Most articles and videos on intermittent fasting say that drinking water is fine. Artificialy sweetened drinks are also a no go.
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