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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Post by john_max_1 »

john4532452 wrote: post #97
nabla9 wrote: post #22

Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. It harms liberties. India: Arrests of Activists Politically Motivated https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/16/india-arrests-activists-... Under Modi, India's Press Not Free Anymore https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/world/asia/modi-india-pre... Critics of India’s Modi Government Face Sedition Charges https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/critics-of-indias-modi-gover... Is free sp…

> Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. There is a fundamental difference Indian nationalism and other countries nationalism. Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" which advocates stratification of society based on the birth and access to education is only allowed for the brahmins(priestly caste). This was the system implemented strictly before the Britishers arrived to India. No…

> Indian nationalism is all about bringing back the "varna system" which advocates stratification of society based on the birth

Any source of this? Or have we reduce Hacker news to random accusations?

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Post by john_max_1 »

john4532452 wrote: post #142
susant321 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a weird claim. I have never seen any healthy mind supports Varna system in India. Only few delusioned imagine that someone is working towards it. Come on guys!

No it is not. This is core principle of RSS https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/seeing-the-invisib...

That's his interpretation of RSS. If I think of you as an racist would that make you a racist?

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Post by susant321 »

john4532452 wrote: post #142
susant321 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a weird claim. I have never seen any healthy mind supports Varna system in India. Only few delusioned imagine that someone is working towards it. Come on guys!

No it is not. This is core principle of RSS https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/blogs/seeing-the-invisib...

If you are talking about Dayand Saraswati, he is a 18th century philosopher. You cannot cite 18th century philosopher's word as today's. Please quote a statement by BJP or RSS which supports Varna system in recent age(25 years).

In old age people used to believe earth is in the center of the universe. One should not quote anything which is more than 25 years old. World is changing rapidly.

How many believes that now except few delusioned individuals who still believe earth is flat and is in the center of the universe and rest of the talks are propaganda?

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Post by henearkr »

nilsocket wrote: post #245
henearkr wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"most of the north-east is converted [to christianity]" is surprising, but actually that's true, for several Indian states that are in the enclave eastern of Bangladesh (Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya). Not "most" eastern states, though, only these ones. I am certainly not in favor of acculturation, and I have no sympathy for religions such as christianity who advocate that nature exists just to be used by humans, h…

Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya are christianized long back. But Many media doesn't cover it, but Evangelism very high, in north-eastern states, almost 70% of the population became Christians. I'm all in, if people with their knowledge want to take Christianity. But de-generation of native faiths, Money, ... and other facilities for conversion are being provided. https://swarajyamag.com/culture/how-northeast-india-wa…

Do you think that could be an effect of the relative separation from mainland India and of the pressure of Islam from the South?

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Post by Chris2048 »

Chris2048 wrote: post #182
kannanvijayan wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would it surprise you to hear that there are many women in India who support for existing misogynistic aspects of traditional culture? It's hard for people to understand how deeply woven caste-based motivations are in Indian society. At a large scale it may seem like some globally stratified layer cake. On the ground, it devolves into regional tribes. The "caste associations" rural people associate themselves with in…

which women, and which "misogynistic aspects"?

Guess I'm not allowed to interrogate vague claims..

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Post by Chris2048 »

arjun1296 wrote: post #267
detaro wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

seriously? Someone who's generally considered to have been very racist is your reference for what people think today? Not exactly a good argument for why you should be taken seriously.

You asked for one famous example and now that I gave one, you are bickering about how its not from the present. How miserable is that? There also examples of media censoring in UK when truth of Islamic conversion was discussed. UK is headed for downright destruction as it has started to censoring the truth. Another example is Henry Kissinger calling the entire Indian race as "scavengers" https://www.dailymail.co.uk/n…

I was the one who asked.

And yes, when you described the media as "woke" I assumed you meant recent media.

And your original argument gave no mention of a historical context, instead you spoke in current tense.

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Post by iamshs »

iKevinShah wrote: post #60

One thing that comments so far down here do not highlight is that there was a recent change in the Foreign Contribution (Regulation) Act where there were changes in the amount of money / limit of administrative expenditure that can be allocated to foreign contributions to 20 percent from the previous 50 percent and, Enforcement Directorate had issued a show-cause notice to Amnesty International India recently (I thin…

Rose by any other name... Amnesty India has not been convicted of any FCRA violation. India has frozen Amnesty's bank accounts without any judicial oversight making sure Amnesty India cannot function normally.

FCRA was amended with a specific aim in mind. Hindu Nationalist groups have been vocal about religious conversions. FCRA was recently used to target 4 Christian organizations and choke their foreign funding [1].

It is a witch-hunt specifically because Amnesty was harassed by Delhi Police about why they were probing Delhi Religious Riots 2020 and had released the report about the Police excesses in the same? It was after this that Delhi Police targeted Amnesty using FCRA law. [2]

Amnesty India's former head put it succintly: "It has become a crime to work on human rights in India." "Amnesty has not been convicted. It has not even been put on trial in court. Shutdown refers to inability to pay salaries because accounts frozen for second time without any determination of guilt." [3]

FCRA is just bureaucratic powerslam without going through courts to target organization that asks for transparency. India joins highly regarding company of Russia in pushing Amnesty from their country.

[1] - https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/government-suspends-f...

[2] - https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/amnesty-report-on...

[3] - https://twitter.com/Aakar__Patel/status/1310844601767309312

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Post by dang »

sidmkp96 wrote: post #47

HN should take down this post. The country has been heavily polarized into two sections (pro-bjp and against-bjp) with both the sections heavily incentivised by the "IT" deptt of respective political parties. Very few will talk about the actual issue and most of the comments will be rhetorical, only focusing on what they believe is right.

Yes, it was one of the worst flamewars I've ever seen on HN. What a wreck.

We've banned several accounts and will probably moderate more aggressively next time.

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Post by naruvimama »

ashleshbiradar wrote: post #51
sidmkp96 wrote: post #47

HN should take down this post. The country has been heavily polarized into two sections (pro-bjp and against-bjp) with both the sections heavily incentivised by the "IT" deptt of respective political parties. Very few will talk about the actual issue and most of the comments will be rhetorical, only focusing on what they believe is right.

this post is from a reputed source, I see no reason why it should be taken down. As far as I am concerned, this is not a subjective thing, the crack down on Amnesty International in the country is not subject to individual opinions.

The Indian government is answerable to the people, Amnesty International is answerable to the government, the courts and perhaps its "donors".

There is a robust system for the former, not so much for the later. AI can complain all it wants but they are just bringing in more scrutiny into their activities.

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Post by naruvimama »

nabla9 wrote: post #22

Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. It harms liberties. India: Arrests of Activists Politically Motivated https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/16/india-arrests-activists-... Under Modi, India's Press Not Free Anymore https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/world/asia/modi-india-pre... Critics of India’s Modi Government Face Sedition Charges https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/critics-of-indias-modi-gover... Is free sp…

Hindu nationalism is certainly way different, it is an umbrella term that encompasses all Indic cultures, tradition and systems that have evolved for thousands of years.

This is against a mostly one book, one god/no god, one agenda and one power centre ideology being enforced on the people - Marxism, Christianity, Islam, "Atheism", "Feminism"

Especially in a country with a million gods and small unique communities, it falls on the government to protect them from ideologies with a track record for violence and genocide.

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