For people blocking facebook - https://web.archive.org/web/20200826162402/https://www.faceb... https://archive.is/9q5Bc
I'd never thought to do that, thanks for sparking the idea.
Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
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Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#292What we really need is an open platform on iOS for app stores, so that Facebook can launch or partner with a third party store that provides built in APIs to enable bypassing Apples restrictions. Maybe Facebook could make their app exclusive to it, so hundreds of millions of users are drawn to an App Store sub-platform subsidised by intrusive, data scraping, privacy compromising policies. Win!
Why are you assuming that app stores get to provide access to private data? I would expect that apps from any app store are just as sandboxed as the ones from Apple's.
They need to be able to communicate with the store, which needs to be able to provide services such as iAP, background update, reviews and recommendations and whatever else the store provider wants to offer. This is how Google Play store works right now on Android, so this is not theoretical, and you'd bet Google would want a store on iOS and they'd want it to provide the same services Play Store provides on Android.
Apple Store apps might well be sandboxed from third party store apps, but there are no guarantees apps within a store ecosystem would provide the same privacy, that would be up to the store provider and Apple would have no say in it.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#293What we really need is an open platform on iOS for app stores, so that Facebook can launch or partner with a third party store that provides built in APIs to enable bypassing Apples restrictions. Maybe Facebook could make their app exclusive to it, so hundreds of millions of users are drawn to an App Store sub-platform subsidised by intrusive, data scraping, privacy compromising policies. Win!
If a third party could provide an equivalent to Apple's tracking ID, they'd already be able to do that with a library. Having a different app store has absolutely no effect on this issue whatsoever.
It does because Apps have to be able to communicate with their store, and that could enable bridging between apps which breaks the sandbox. It's all up to the store provider, see more detailed reply in parallel comment.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#294Earlier quoted context omitted.
You kind of took it off the deep at there with the last sentence. Sure the Trump dept of education has been especially bad, but you can't blame all of the past decades of US public education mediocrity on corporate interests. Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence.
Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. Or unions. While teachers unions have been great for teachers, they've been lousy for teaching.
As European it is hard to grasp the US hate on unions.
I love our European unions, which support anyone across the company, including software developers.
Want to make a slave out of me? Talk to the hand.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the online ad business is collapsing (collapsing might be a strong word, but there's definitely a bubble bursting and the market needing a big readjustment) not because of technical problems but simply because people have a certain amount of time and attention and anything beyond that is a waste of money. The advertising industry unfortunately did not understand that and most people are saturated with ads (cr…
Understand that the ad industry isn't a monolith. The advertisers shoveling shit ads onto local news websites aren't making some grand bargain for short term revenue at the expense of long term consequences (blocking, etc.). Those advertisers simply wouldn't exist otherwise. They're filling a small niche while they can. The fact that their behavior might cause the whole industry problems over the long term does not m…
> But there's really nothing they can do about it without being shouted down (or worse) as being anticompetitive
Why would enforcing a standard of quality (to keep user's trust by not showing them shit ads) be considered anti-competitive? Google already bans entire industries from advertising and are fine with that, why would enforcing a level of quality (and raising prices to offset the cost of human review) be anticompetitive?
Truth is that neither Google nor Facebook care as long as they get paid.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
In this case how does real-world advertising in magazines, public transport, TV, etc manages to have such a high price despite the targeting capabilities being orders of magnitude lower than online? Maybe the problem with online ads isn't the targeting or lack thereof but that the well has been poisoned by allowing even the worst possible scum and the users reached their breaking point and learned to ignore them, whi…
> In this case how does real-world advertising in magazines, public transport, TV, etc manages to have such a high price despite the targeting capabilities being orders of magnitude lower than online? Some companies are willing to pay that much more for the prestige of showing up in the "real world", just like some brands might maintain unprofitable flagship stores. Another reason is "because they have to charge that…
> Some companies are willing to pay that much more for the prestige of showing up in the "real world"
Doesn't that show a problem with online advertising if it's considered so bad that companies are willing to pay huge premiums to show up somewhere else instead?
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
The difference is the iPhone isn't sold below cost, you should already be able to unlock it (except Apple just doesn't want you to) .
This makes no sense. As a consumer, I'm dropping $500 on a console. How much it costs Microsoft to make doesn't affect my relationship with them or my relationship with developers of the platform.
It does when they don't want you to be able to unlock it because they'll lose money on it.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I can’t imagine people will start paying for email, search, music streaming... There's absolutely now reason why these services can't all fit in a 5-10$/month allowance. E-mail is already ~2$/month with Office 365, and if everyone starts paying economies of scale would make even cheaper plans profitable. Some of these services can just as well be provided by the ISP, like e-mail was back in the days. A lot of ISPs…
FB’s ARPU in US in 2019 was $112. Google’s was $256. By comparison, paid services would cost $30/month. You might be willing to pay that, but many will not. People already share Netflix accounts or bootleg their friend’s HBO accounts. I think a shift to paid services is _possible_ but I won’t bet on it. The economics and market forces that brought us metered data and text usage haven’t really changed. Destroying the…
How much of that ARPU is covering overheads of the advertising model (all the infrastructure and middlemen) as opposed to being actual money spent by brands on customer acquisition? If ads didn't exist and people wanted to pay for stuff, wouldn't brands be able to offer lower prices because of easier customer acquisition (not having to pay for ads) and thus people wouldn't need to share accounts if the account costs a couple of bucks a month?
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. Or unions. While teachers unions have been great for teachers, they've been lousy for teaching.
As European it is hard to grasp the US hate on unions. I love our European unions, which support anyone across the company, including software developers. Want to make a slave out of me? Talk to the hand.
Plenty of hate for unions here in Canada too. Some how, in North America, we've convinced a large percentage of people who should belong to unions that unions will destroy society.
Re: Preparing Our Partners for iOS 14
#300I’m all for how these changes are going to negatively affect Facebook and advertisers. But I just can’t also escape the feeling in the long term I’m giving up control of the devices I own and the actual act of computing to get to this result. If it came to destroying advertisers or free open computing I want free computing.
> I’m giving up control of the devices I own
You never had control of ios devices to begin with, the iphone always has been everything but "free computing"