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Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by zepto »

res0nat0r wrote: post #245
addicted wrote: post #226

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Why would you want to go to goofle translate or google maps when you search for translate or google? Wouldn’t you want to go to the best service you could get?

His point is those are the best.

Yes, but the counter argument is that they are only the best because no competitor can get adequate attention to make the investment worthwhile.

Apple has the only viable alternatives to those two, and the only way they are able to distribute them is because they control the home screen of iOS.

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Post by zepto »

addicted wrote: post #228
ss7pro wrote: post #224

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It had competition from Apple and IBM. But look Windows domination was ended by Android and Apple IOS. Same happen with Explorer which was killed by ooensource products like Firefox and later Chrome

The death of IE was helped greatly by antitrust action by the EU. If you think MSFT wouldn’t have snuffed out Firefox and Chrome the moment they got a chance you’re greatly mistaken.

How would they have ‘snuffed out’ chrome?

Chrome performed better than any other browser at the time it came out, and was advertised in the most prominent place in the world.

How would MS have stopped it?

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by thatguy0900 »

zentiggr wrote: post #198
fractionalhare wrote: post #27

> A trending search in our data for “myocardial infarction” shows how Google has piled up its products at the top. It returned: - Google’s dictionary definition. - A “people also ask” box that expanded to answer related questions without leaving the search results page. - A “knowledge panel,” which is an abridged encyclopedia entry with various links. - And a “related conditions” carousel leading to various new Googl…

Maybe Google needs to take the final step in this evolution. Let's have Google show nothing but quick answers, nothing but their own info boxes etc. No search results, nothing external. That way, anyone looking for any other results HAS to leave Google in order to find anything. And Google can pander to the percentage of people who honestly don't know or care that there's a web. Are there enough of us who would avoid…

Their info boxes are all scraped from other sites, would they still be able to legally scrape sites and display them like that without giving any links to actually follow?

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by musicale »

This has been the case for a while and should not be surprising to anyone.

It's not terrible (Google's and Bing's promoted and internal modular results "above the fold" are often useful and relevant) but it does make it harder to use modern search portals to actually search the general web outside promoted results.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by untoreh »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #293
zentiggr wrote: post #198

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Maybe Google needs to take the final step in this evolution. Let's have Google show nothing but quick answers, nothing but their own info boxes etc. No search results, nothing external. That way, anyone looking for any other results HAS to leave Google in order to find anything. And Google can pander to the percentage of people who honestly don't know or care that there's a web. Are there enough of us who would avoid…

Their info boxes are all scraped from other sites, would they still be able to legally scrape sites and display them like that without giving any links to actually follow?

the data that google shows from websites is provided by websites as structured markup, websites started providing this with the expectation that it would provide better ranking. Nowadays, however, google could probably just render the same thing thorugh nlp without any additional hints from the sourced pages

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Post by dublinben »

andrepd wrote: post #107
hrktb wrote: post #90

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> Many of them save me extra clicks which is convenient. I think the point is that some are convenient, others aren’t, but they all have prominent positioning. Google is not the best flight search service, yet it’s on top. As you say, it wouldn’t matter if Google was the best at everything all the time. The issue is that of course it isn’t, and will never be.

Out of curiosity which flight search is better than flights.google?

TFA links to this comprehensive review of airfare search websites, the top ten of which all outperform Google Flights. You may not have even heard of their top picks like Skiplagged, Momondo, and Skyscanner.

https://www.frommers.com/slideshows/848046-the-10-best-and-w...

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Post by theamk »

zentiggr wrote: post #191
boarnoah wrote: post #112

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Most of those independent companies wouldn't have a good revenue stream no? I really doubt Google Maps is sustainable simply by selling API access. It and especially the more niche google products seem to be provided as a value add to their other services (i.e search in this case).

Awww, you mean parts of the monolith would have to compete on merit with all the other companies that are having to compete on merit? What a terrible shame...

It will be a terrible shame when I no longer get real-time traffic on the small streets, yes.

I use OSM multiple times per week, but I still start GMaps anytime I need to drive somewhere.

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Post by edoceo »

jdashg wrote: post #272
edoceo wrote: post #142

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Well, one cup (volume) of flour can vary pretty widely in weight (108-138g in my notebook). Bleached, whole, Rye, AP, etc and even same type across brands. A variance of 15% is not too odd from my baking experience.

Yeah that's flour's perennial problem, and 15% is enough to really throw a bake off. Avoid any baking recipe that doesn't have a nice round number for grams of flour, and even then be suspicious. (baker's percents are always welcome though!)

A professional baker who's business I spent some time getting to know would test bake a standard loaf from every batch of flour purchased. Their recipe would get micro adjustment depending on results.

Not as necessary for home baked 1kg loafs.

Re: Google’s top search result is Google

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Post by dredmorbius »

pb7 wrote: post #87
dredmorbius wrote: post #32

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That's both tired and inaccurate. DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we also source from multiple partners, though most commonly from Bing (and n…

No, this answer is tired and inaccurate. They successfully fool you into thinking they are much more complex than they really are. They use Bing and Bing alone for the SERP links (without this, you don’t have a search engine) and their crawlers fill in the handful of “onebox” results for certain queries. They keep changing this statement but it used to say “multiple sources like Bing, Yahoo, Oath”... all of which are…

https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/du...
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