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Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by fsloth » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

henearkr wrote: post #101

fsloth wrote: post #83

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Assange case? It's been a very bad idea for decades to get on US governments shit list. The range of options range from financial restraints to summary assassination without a trial. People should understand this. US is a stabilizing force in the world but they are not about universal human rights or world peace.

Lots of journalists, say, in France for example, hurl shit in the face of US every day, with lots of investigations, and they still are more or less protected and the country where they live abide by the law... So, that's what personally I would have expected and hoped about Assange too. The reality is different from what you present: it is not common that journalists opposing to US are (internationally) repressed at…

US seems to be totally fine about opinions expressed from freely available data. They don't like a campaign to leak everything that can be caught hold of. So I would not compare the reaction to Assange to a general reaction to journalism.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by dvfjsdhgfv » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:01 PM UTC

rorykoehler wrote: post #171

aka1234 wrote: post #163

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I too am shocked that Wikileaks would publish tabloidish material with little public value. Next thing you know, I'll hear that Wikileaks posted private emails of a government official talking about pizza. Emails which spawned ridiculous conspiracies about satanic child abuse cults headquartered in the basement of a pizza shop that doesn't have a basement. That would never happen. Not at an august, hard-hitting journ…

Still waiting for a valid explanation of what pizza is code for because they certainly aren’t talking about pizza the food in those emails.

I somehow hope they were talking about light drugs. Given the amount of storm it caused, it's beyond me why there was no official examination, to say nothing about explanation.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by fwklein » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:02 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #262

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

"Never proven false" is an Orwellian turn of phrase, because WL's concern with accuracy is obviously not overriding: https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/757599082928082944?lang=en Also: why would I care that Hammond was prosecuted? Hammond was caught dead to rights.

False. Emma Best (then Michael Best) published the information about turkish women, not WikiLeaks, and was explained by Best here https://archive.is/0VsQR

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by AndrewBissell » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

aka1234 wrote: post #163

nickysielicki wrote: post #153

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I had not heard of that and I am surprised that they would publish something so tabloidish. For what it's worth, I found this page [1] where they state: > Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value. And I found this reddit thread/comment from 11 years ago (when Wikileaks…

I too am shocked that Wikileaks would publish tabloidish material with little public value. Next thing you know, I'll hear that Wikileaks posted private emails of a government official talking about pizza. Emails which spawned ridiculous conspiracies about satanic child abuse cults headquartered in the basement of a pizza shop that doesn't have a basement. That would never happen. Not at an august, hard-hitting journ…

It is so ridiculous to call the emails that WikiLeaks published "tabloid" just because a conspiracy theory sprung up around bizarre language which was used in a subset of them. Taken as a whole, they revealed absolutely rank corruption in the higher ranks of the DNC.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by SkyBelow » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:03 PM UTC

aka1234 wrote: post #163

nickysielicki wrote: post #153

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I had not heard of that and I am surprised that they would publish something so tabloidish. For what it's worth, I found this page [1] where they state: > Due to the contradictory dates, possible evidence of forgery, strong motivations for fabrication, and few motivations for a legitimate revelation, the images should not be taken at face value. And I found this reddit thread/comment from 11 years ago (when Wikileaks…

I too am shocked that Wikileaks would publish tabloidish material with little public value. Next thing you know, I'll hear that Wikileaks posted private emails of a government official talking about pizza. Emails which spawned ridiculous conspiracies about satanic child abuse cults headquartered in the basement of a pizza shop that doesn't have a basement. That would never happen. Not at an august, hard-hitting journ…

Yeah, the conspiracy theory is just insane. Almost as insane as the conspiracy theory that one of the world's largest religious organizations was engaging in something similar, except at a scale spanning every continent except Antarctica and having done so for at least as long as living memory.

For another conspiracy theory, what about the idea that if a conspiracy was uncovered, instead of denying it those with something to lose would double down on the most exaggerated parts of the conspiracy to down out the less insane and more likely parts. Get the public to focus on the pizza shop and not on the (since deceased) billionaire.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by mmcwilliams » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

0x8BADF00D wrote: post #276

mmcwilliams wrote: post #267

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This seems to fly in the face of the prevailing opinions on this site about Scott Alexander of Slate Star Codex having his full name printed in the NYT.

He’s not an officer of a publicly traded corporation, and has no fiduciary responsibility to shareholders. It’s a completely different case from being doxxed.

That wasn't your distinction, though. You used the term "public figure" and I think it's a bit dramatic to say that he was doxxed when he wrote under his full name until 2013, references those writings frequently and used that full name on the blog as recently as last year.

Either public figures deserve a measure of privacy or they don't.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by IIAOPSW » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:06 PM UTC

rorykoehler wrote: post #171

aka1234 wrote: post #163

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I too am shocked that Wikileaks would publish tabloidish material with little public value. Next thing you know, I'll hear that Wikileaks posted private emails of a government official talking about pizza. Emails which spawned ridiculous conspiracies about satanic child abuse cults headquartered in the basement of a pizza shop that doesn't have a basement. That would never happen. Not at an august, hard-hitting journ…

Still waiting for a valid explanation of what pizza is code for because they certainly aren’t talking about pizza the food in those emails.

Why are you certain they aren't talking about pizza?

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by ficklepickle » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

giarc wrote: post #159

tomalpha wrote: post #88

It’s not hard to work out what it means, but the headline should probably either be: “Julian Assange Charged...” or the original “Wikileaks Founder Charged...” The current half-and-half is a little strange (who founded Julian Assange?).

I agree, I figured they were charging someone else that helped found the Julian Assange Foundation or something.

My first sleepy-brained thought was that they charged his parents for creating him.

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Post by ben_w » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

bassrattle wrote: post #277

_curious_ wrote: post #224

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Has it been proven that those emails were real in the first place? I too was confused by the use of what appears to be coded language, but then thought to myself: wait, is what I am reading authentic?

Yes, the emails were real. It was proven and never denied.

Would you even bother trying to confirm or deny emails about pizza? I'd consider it an even bigger waste of time than supplying the long form of a birth certificate after someone decided that the short form wasn’t good enough proof of nationality for someone who was by that point already the elected president.

Re: Julian Assange charged in superseding indictment

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 5:11 PM UTC

nickysielicki wrote: post #18

> In 2012, Assange communicated directly with a leader of the hacking group LulzSec (who by then was cooperating with the FBI), and provided a list of targets for LulzSec to hack. With respect to one target, Assange asked the LulzSec leader to look for (and provide to WikiLeaks) mail and documents, databases and pdfs. In another communication, Assange told the LulzSec leader that the most impactful release of hacked…

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