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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by nullc »

arkadiyt wrote: post #250
nullc wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://twitter.com/mollypshe/status/1266934680273727491 I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. Is it your intention to discredit claims of police brutality by repeating apparently false ones?

> I clicked this. It contains a apparently completely baseless claim that a masked looter is an "undercover cop". The claim also has been denied by the St. Paul police department. That is only one of the reports in that lengthy tweet thread. And it's not baseless, here is the evidence for it: https://twitter.com/dyllyp/status/1266166402521522176 Here's the tweet where the St. Paul police department denied it: https:/…

> And it's not baseless, here is the evidence for it

Thanks-- I didn't find that from the original link. But I don't really think it supports your argument.

It's pretty hard to identify a person from just the eyes, but to the extent that shows anything it seems to contradict the claim to me: the face on the left appears to me to have a much more prominent brow ridge compared to the face on the right-- like a shelf above his eyes on the left, while the right dips in near the nose.

As far as the officer's ex-wife saying 'that's my mask' -- the thread shows a bunch of other pictures of protesters with the same mask.

This also explains how they could investigate the claim quickly-- they only needed to identify the location of a single officer.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by tal8d »

augustt wrote: post #212
austincheney wrote: post #200

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Are they? I prefer to ignore value comparisons not based on numbers.

German cops fired 85 bullets _total_ in 2011. Florida cops shot almost 200 bullets into a UPS truck, killing a hostage and bystander in 2019.

There were 2174 incidents of murder/manslaughter in Germany that year... given that context, "85 bullets _total_" sounds like a massive orgy of violence on the part of German LEOs. There were 6 times that many murders in the US that same year, manslaughter not included.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by wonderwonder »

corrupt_measure wrote: post #289
wonderwonder wrote: post #257

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The issue is not the rarity of police brutality (although I disagree) it is the acceptance and silence of the perpetrators fellow officers who witness it. It means that all of these officers who don't intervene are guilty of dereliction of duty and condone the violence. These people should not have power of citizens. It means the entire system is corrupt and broken. "When controlling for violent encounters with polic…

Cops having to deal with many bad people on a daily basis, in a country of 330 million, will inevitably lead to a few outrageous cases. Similarly writing code inevitably leads to bugs. But first, those cases are not racially biased. Black men are involved in far more violent crime per capita than white men which leads them to getting in violent altercations with police more often. This is common knowledge, so the 2.5…

hmmm, interesting. When were you able to speak with Derek Chauvin the officer that killed Floyd to confirm that it was not racially motivated? Or are you just assuming and making things up?

"A white man was killed in almost exactly the same way as George recently but there were no protests, because the man was white. People have the unjustified belief that blacks are disproportionately targeted so that's why there were protests." So your argument is that police are killing everyone and we should all protest? I agree. If that's not your point then it should be. Accepting that police are able to violently kill people is not a great position to have.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by hug »

downerending wrote: post #258
hug wrote: post #201

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> As always, you have to ask, compared to what? What would you even compare instances of police brutality against? Is there some kind of threshold under which you think police brutality is okay? Should there be a rule that each police force gets one free brutalising a year? Or is it just that if their actions are only a little bit of brutality, just a pinch, that they should get away with it? No one has to ask what t…

As a programmer, I accept that I'll make mistakes from time to time. Excoriating me for doing so would not help. The bad apples should be removed. Riots and mayhem work against that goal.

That doesn't answer a single one of my questions, doesn't expand upon your original point, and doesn't bear on the situation in the slightest. Unless you're implying that your job as a programmer and the job of a police officer are similar in consequences when you "make a mistake".

But as to the second part of your comment, the bad apples should be removed, but are not. So what do you do about it? Put videos of the internet maybe so it's more public?

Maybe you also go out and protest about it. Maybe that causes more videos to show up. Who knows.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by latchkey »

nullc wrote: post #186
latchkey wrote: post #168

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Ah yes, cops telling you that they didn't do it. At first I said to myself "he didn't do it, he isn't a cop..." and then I started to think about the source of the information. I'm not taking sides here. I don't know if he did it or not. I just like to question all sources at this point. Just because they say they didn't do it, doesn't mean they didn't do it.

I'd totally buy you argument if there was evidence of it being a cop to begin with. But there isn't, as far as I'm able to determine.

I'm not arguing he was a cop or not.

I'm saying that cops telling you he didn't do it, seems like a questionable source to base your opinion on.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by nullc »

latchkey wrote: post #295
nullc wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd totally buy you argument if there was evidence of it being a cop to begin with. But there isn't, as far as I'm able to determine.

I'm not arguing he was a cop or not. I'm saying that cops telling you he didn't do it, seems like a questionable source to base your opinion on.

My opinion was based on the claim being apparently baseless. Someone saying "are you a cop?" to a masked person does not make them likely to be a cop-- in fact, it demonstrates that the cop-ness of this person wasn't readily apparent to the people who were actually there.

That they denied it is just additional (weak, sure) evidence.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by leereeves »

scarface74 wrote: post #255
GiorgioG wrote: post #193

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> The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned Then these young people (in the U.S.) should stop fighting for gun control when it only works against them in times such as these. Can you imagine how these protesters would be treated if most of them were carrying a rifle? Could the police roll out tanks in response? Sure, but I do not believe the U.S…

Could the police roll out tanks in response? Sure, but I do not believe the U.S. politicians would be willing to start all out war between police and civilians. Have you read about what happened during the Civil Rights Movement? How many MAGAs would even blink if police started killing Black people? More recently MOVE was bombed and no politicians thought twice. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-19…

> How many MAGAs would even blink if police started killing Black people?

Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Fox News hosts, and even Rush Limbaugh have all spoken out against the murder of George Floyd.

> “I hope these cops are dealt with good and hard,” Limbaugh said. “I’ve seen the video like everybody else, and it makes me so mad I can’t see straight.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/limbaugh-george-floyd-death-m...

> "it was clearly police brutality and it was not conduct we expect of any officer," Cruz said.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/ted-cruz-on-floyds-death-riots...

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Post by codethief »

greggyb wrote: post #160
pstuart wrote: post #21

Tangentially related: anybody have links for good op-sec guides for creating a site that might make dangerous people pissed off?

Host it here: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/ (This is assuming that you are not doing anything illegal.) Make it static. Be able to deploy quickly to a new host if need be.

> This is assuming that you are not doing anything illegal.

Unfortunately, you are rarely the one who decides what is legal and what is not. I remember Edward Snowden mentioning this in some AMA on Reddit as one of the reasons why for a society it's a bad idea to strive for zero crime rates: After all, this most likely means that it's impossible to commit a crime and, thus, rebel against or, if need be, even overthrow the system.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by pas »

quietthrow wrote: post #198

This post was number one on HN. Now it’s nowhere to be found on HN’s pages unless you search for it. I happen to remember the posters handle and was able to dig up the post. The post is not even flagged back so am curious why did it disappear?

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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by codethief »

I wish the site contained more than just the video recordings and presented further information like time & date / location / background story / names / official police report / related news reports etc.

Right now I could simply dress up as police officer and stage such a video. I'm not at all saying this is happening, I'm just saying it'd be possible to do that. With fake news as well claims of things being fake news being very common these days, we should all be a bit more careful and thorough.

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