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Re: Japan to fund firms to shift production out of China

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Post by pmachinery »

adventured wrote: post #165
FooBarWidget wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think this has got anything to do with China's soft power. The Dutch generally look at things in a calm and less emotionally-loaded manner, at least compared to the Americans. There is still a slight slant towards mistrust but it's nowhere near how it is in America. I see the US social media villanizing China for the most insane things that can be easily disproven. The Dutch at least make an attempt at being…

It's a matter of stakes. The Netherlands has no power and very few responsibilities globally. It's often easy to be objective about topics when your stakes are low and distant. How's that supposed Dutch calm looking when it comes to Italy and fiscal matters these days? I've been following that closely, they've been anything but calm, rational, objective. They're being emotional and subjective, making poor decisions,…

The topic is not Captain America saving the world again, it's Chinese medical supplies to Holland. That seems like something the Dutch have far more stake in than Americans.

And a country that has dramatically more at stake by permanently looking for fights all around the world should probably be more rational and calm than one that isn't.

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Post by FooBarWidget »

kosievdmerwe wrote: post #50
systemvoltage wrote: post #9

Actually this pandemic has shown some true colors of many nations. 1) US trying to unsuccessfully hoard supplies, issues with the German testing company 2) China trying to use soft power, but the whole drama feels fake. It is good that they are sending supplies (often faulty and not up to the quality, see dutch story around this) but it doesn't feel genuine. 3) European countries are in-fighting for supplies. Switzer…

> 2) China trying to use soft power, but the whole drama feels fake. It is good that they are sending supplies (often faulty and not up to the quality, see dutch story around this) but it doesn't feel genuine. Given that China seems to force countries to pay for PPE the same countries previously donated to China, you're right for being skeptical. https://abc14news.com/2020/04/06/china-forces-italy-to-buy-s...

This claim is false. An interview with an Italian official confirms it to be false. https://twitter.com/honglilai/status/1247163875339800577?s=2...

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Post by [deleted] »

reaperducer wrote: post #266
aianus wrote: post #185

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> There should be no reason for the international market to think they can get some of that money. Unless the Chinese companies receiving the subsidies are barred from exporting their products, then the global market will buy those subsidized products and global unsubsidized competitors will suffer. You are not allowed to export state subsidized products per WTO rules.

You are not allowed to export state subsidized products per WTO rules. The Chinese government is well known for propping up domestic companies and playing favorites, and now suddenly you think it cares about international rules?

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Post by robocat »

aianus wrote: post #185
magicsmoke wrote: post #87

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The subsidies from Made in China 2025 won't be going to foreign companies since it's supposed fund Chinese companies and domestic innovation so they can have replacements for foreign tech IP. There should be no reason for the international market to think they can get some of that money.

> There should be no reason for the international market to think they can get some of that money. Unless the Chinese companies receiving the subsidies are barred from exporting their products, then the global market will buy those subsidized products and global unsubsidized competitors will suffer. You are not allowed to export state subsidized products per WTO rules.

Surely the US stimulus package counts as a government subsidy to uneconomic private business?

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Post by eunos »

throw_this_one wrote: post #287
eunos wrote: post #257

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> I don't fully understand what Obama's China plan was. Built a strong United Front comprises of countries around China with the US at the top, especially the IP monopoly. While it takes a long time it will subliminally erode China's competitiveness. Quite similar to the plan to erode USSR's economy without a hot war between NATO and Warsaw's pact.

That's what I assumed. Was the TPP that, or was there more to come? And if so, why was Hillary against it? Trumps plan looks better on the surface but I think it is bigly flawed. To try to take them head on but not actually doing much. And he really hasn't even tried to crank them with the tarrifs.

Hillary was against it, I believe because it was issue du jour. If she had been elected instead, pretty sure TPP would have been rebranded but passed nonetheless.

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Post by behnamoh »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #283
behnamoh wrote: post #274

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Creating a throw-away account just to prove to someone that China did something right...

Because HN and the english speaking world is usually so anti-China, that people who are neutral of China get angry responses or are downvoted badly. Note: I am not even saying supportive of China; even being neutral is already considered unacceptable or lunacy by many people. Things are so bad that many people are afraid to speak up for China using their own identities. I used to be one of those people who were afrai…

China is to blame for all of this, and the fact that they did some things right, doesn't clean their fault.

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Post by ed_balls »

elchief wrote: post #200
LatteLazy wrote: post #89

Every country needs to distance themselves from China until they sort out their food hygiene laws and they prove they can handle epidemics without lying. I have no problem with the Chinese people. But their government caused this and then lied to make it worse. You can't keep trading with someone like that. Add in the treatment of minorities and the lack of progress towards democracy or rule of law, and they're basic…

It's not just the laws they need to figure out. Domestic pangolin use is illegal, so they just illegally import it

It's unsolvable problem. People will go to wet markets in Myanmar on a trip.

The only way out is an antiviral that is cheap, safe and effective.

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Post by hungryhobo »

It never really made sense to me why after this pandemic, people think it's better to move supply chains out of china.

Having supply chains scattered around different smaller nations would introduce MORE risk not LESS.

Instead of waiting 2 months for production in china to ramp up, now I gotta wait for production in X different countries to ramp up. Rach country with different ability to deal with a pandemic.

I can understand maybe every country should have some manufacturing capacity for the essentials, but on average I don't see how it's more efficient.

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Post by ubermon »

president wrote: post #190
mikechen233 wrote: post #134

Just today telsa sold 10000 cars in the Shanghai factory in March and Tesla stock jumped as result. I have a feeling that with Europe and US in continue lock down, China is going to support a huge number businesses. Looking at a number of Western business, all cite china has a very important market. Everyone of them earned a ton of money from that market. Some manufacturing will leave china, but if business want to a…

How many Chinese people died unneedlessly by the hands of the CCP for you to finally be able to buy an iPhone? The mark of a great society and system of governance is not based solely on the common citizen being able to buy a pair of Nike shoes.

Do you really care how many died or do you only want to have a villain to hate? Or just your insecurity is stirred?

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Post by LatteLazy »

elchief wrote: post #200
LatteLazy wrote: post #89

Every country needs to distance themselves from China until they sort out their food hygiene laws and they prove they can handle epidemics without lying. I have no problem with the Chinese people. But their government caused this and then lied to make it worse. You can't keep trading with someone like that. Add in the treatment of minorities and the lack of progress towards democracy or rule of law, and they're basic…

It's not just the laws they need to figure out. Domestic pangolin use is illegal, so they just illegally import it

It baffles me. China has zero issue eliminating the slightest threat to the party. From book sellers in Hong Kong to religious minorities to the great firewall, no job too big, no threat too small.

But apparently eliminating wet markets was unpopular and thats a no no. It worked when they did it after SARS. It saved a shit tonne of lives, it brought them one step closer to being a first world nation. But now its impossible and undemocratic?

I don't know why they won't do this. But it's "won't", not "can't". And to me, that's unacceptable.

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