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Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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post #278

Buy S&P puts as a hedge to save your account in times of extreme volatility. I had 270 strike puts for April I bought on Friday for $6 that jumped to $15 today and got my account to break even even though the value of my stocks went down.

What fraction of your account value would you have lost if those puts expired (i.e. if the market had not declined)?

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All you need to correctly pick the bottom and peak of a year is 365 people. 366 in leap years.

You need 365 * 365 to get both the bottom and peak right

For a person to get both bottom and peak right. But hey, I'm less picky

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

#293

Currently only 6% down, perhaps (anecdotal) evidence that halts work?

Days with a large pre-market drops often follow this pattern. As the end of the day approaches the selling often becomes panicked again.

Interesting. Is that based on your experience or is there somewhere I can read more on that trend?

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

#294

Genuine question: They can just do that ? Issue a trading halt because they don't like the direction it's going ? > “There’s a reason why they have those circuit breakers -- it’s to give people time to come back from panicked feelings,” Seems strange that the market is kinda able to be manipulated like that. I'm not saying this is a bad move, just surprised that someone can do it.

Would they also circuit break on 7% increase, in order to give people time to come back from positive feelings?

Looks like it's also on increases, yes:

https://www.sec.gov/oiea/investor-alerts-bulletins/investor-...

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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post #278

Buy S&P puts as a hedge to save your account in times of extreme volatility. I had 270 strike puts for April I bought on Friday for $6 that jumped to $15 today and got my account to break even even though the value of my stocks went down.

Or just buy index decade after decade... this of course does not work if you attempt to beat the index or have timespan that is short.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one will be able to time this. We don't even know if this is the start of a [global?] recession or depression. If you haven't already, put your retirement into bonds and hold on. Honestly it might be a good idea to grab some cash from the bank to keep at home - bank runs are not outside the realm of possibility, although we have credit cards and other internet based payment methods now so it's probably less of a c…

> If you haven't already, put your retirement into bonds and hold on. Are you advising to sell equities right after they've taken a beating? Sounds awfully close to "buy high, sell low".

Well, "nick checks out", at least. :)

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

#299

Genuine question: They can just do that ? Issue a trading halt because they don't like the direction it's going ? > “There’s a reason why they have those circuit breakers -- it’s to give people time to come back from panicked feelings,” Seems strange that the market is kinda able to be manipulated like that. I'm not saying this is a bad move, just surprised that someone can do it.

I too think it's inane. Some of us want to get into the market but not at these prices. Yet the whole system is built around trying to push markets into higher and higher prices at all times.

Here's a brilliant idea, introduce a rule that says you can only sell a security for more than what you paid. Voila, endlessly rising prices forever!

Feels like a con.

Re: Trading halted as U.S. stocks plummet

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post #38
post #29

Slightly unrelated, but why does the stock market close each night? If trading was open 24/7, we wouldn't have large spikes like this every morning. We'd only have them when certain news is announced.

The market was not always driven by computers like it is now, and people running it needed to sleep.

People running hospitals need to sleep too but they dont close for the night
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