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Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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They can always leave. I'd presume that many of them are on-board in the first place because they're engaged by the idea.

Right, particularly, engineers who can build space stations definitely have other employment options.

Not many if they want to build space stations.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Welding by hand is both an art and a science. There is going to be variability in the quality of the weld, which will introduce variability into the strength. Machines can be far more precise and consistent compared to humans. They probably designed their tolerances assuming perfect welds and then didn't have them.

> They probably designed their tolerances assuming perfect welds and then didn't have them. This sounds like terrible engineering practice.

It's perfectly normal engineering practice. Camshaft, gearbox profiles, and bearing surfaces in your car have very tight tolerances. A one slightly unbalanced turbine blade in your airliner engine would assure catastrophic failure. etc etc

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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It's sad that you think your priorities should be everyones' priorities. Find like-minded people and get to work. But what people get inspired of is none of your business to judge.

I feel perfectly entitled to judge those who spend their days dreaming of Mars as a solution to their problems. I will not support such efforts, and I feel quite comfortable being a detractor as well. Who are you to tell me what to judge?! This argument gets you nowhere with me.

They aren't dreaming of Mars as a solution to their problems.

They dream of Mars as it is exciting and will lead to new knowledge, understanding, and meaning.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Excerpt: "Just iterate, baby" "I’ve spoken with plenty of the earliest engineers who worked at SpaceX, and almost all of them have noted that Musk tackles the hardest engineering problems first. For Mars, there will be so many logistical things to make it all work, from power on the surface to scratching out a living to adapting to its extreme climate. But Musk believes that the initial, hardest step is building a re…

Iteration is what originally gave the Soviets the advantage in the space race.

It's well known that the Soviets advanced in the Space race because they neglected people's lives. Cosmonauts were launched in half-baked, hastily assembled spacecraft. It's a gruesome example of iteration.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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If you strap 10 rockets together, you don't need to keep all 10 copies of some components. You don't need 10 computers, or ten emergency abort systems, or ten communications systems, etc. One large tank will have less mass/volume than 10 small ones, etc.

Interestingly there are couple rockets that are close to "strapping couple rockets together" for various reasons: The R7 rocket - mostly to avoid engine ignition in flight & due to having a lot of nozzles you need to fit on a rocket - this was then kept for Soyuz even after an additional stage has been added that is started in flight - Soyuz 2V uses a more efficient engine & uses only the central stage The proton Roc…

While this does work, the Falcon Heavy has convinced Elon not to go into that direction again. Its actually not that simple to strap these together and just making a bigger tank is actually easier.

Poorly for the current market using a FH makes sense, but to break to another level, building one big rocket is better. Both the US Saturn 5 and the Soviet N1 were big single tube vehicles.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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No, not in aerospace. The common approach is to spend years designing, simulating, and then actual tests come at the very end, and sometimes you don't even test because you can't or it would be too expensive. That's what Boeing are doing with their own rockets; Mars missions until now didn't really go through an iterative process; satellites are usually manufactured only by one and they better work once in orbit.

SpaceX built an incredible custom simulator in order to design the methane engines used in Starship[1]. Right now they are experimenting with manufacturing techniques, which is much less amenable to simulation [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/2zhad6/spacex_at_gp...

Elon has stressed this. Design is easy, building is hard, building at scale is harder. Thus the reason he iterates on the design is to make each design iteration also an iteration in the manufacturability, not just the functional design.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Let's be objective: SpaceX has radically lowered the cost to get to Earth orbit, and commands a majority of the worldwide launch market. They are simply more efficient than other launch providers, so much so that they are branching out into global communications (StarLink) to capture more revenue (global comms is 10x the market size of the launch market). They don't need to go to the Moon to succeed. There is no mark…

I don't disagree that SpaceX has been successful. I just disagree that this trial and error methodology is some radical new thinking from Musk—it's not.

Nobody says he has invented trial end error, but every single person that worked in aerospace would tell you that they simply don't work like the other companies in many ways.

And with the Starship, they have gone to an extreme that even for SpaceX seems crazy.

There are tons and tons of interviews and podcasts with experienced people who worked there. Listing to those that came over from NASA is specially interesting.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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Excerpt: "Just iterate, baby" "I’ve spoken with plenty of the earliest engineers who worked at SpaceX, and almost all of them have noted that Musk tackles the hardest engineering problems first. For Mars, there will be so many logistical things to make it all work, from power on the surface to scratching out a living to adapting to its extreme climate. But Musk believes that the initial, hardest step is building a re…

This makes total sense to me. If you can solve the hardest problems, it is reasonable to expect that you can solve the rest as well. If you fail at solving the hardest problems, the system will not work anyway.

The science, then, lies in identifying the hardest problems. The art lies in identifying people who can solve these problems.

Re: Elon Musk’s plan to build one Starship a week and settle Mars

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If you want to change history, you'll put up with a brutal working schedule. If you want a cushy 9-5 job, just apply to the nice big corporation down the street. At the end of the day, you just go home and enjoy your comfy bunny slippers.

This sounds suspiciously identical to a tweet Elon posted last year that went 'viral', including the bit about how people working 9-5 (like that even exists at most corps today) as somehow being 'weak'.

> suspiciously

lol, you've found the nefarious element!

(It could be that I'm actually quoting from memory but, if so, it's not conscious.)

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