Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy • Hacker News Board

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Vinnl » Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 8:54 AM UTC

h91wka wrote: post #288

Vinnl wrote: post #286

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And I think putting those at the same level as Google's and Microsoft's shenanigans, especially considering the other properties I mentioned and how they influenced how those incidents were dealt with, is grossly exaggerating.

1) Aforementioned companies don't market themselves as "privacy-centered" 2) If you re-read the original post, you'll notice that I was talking about trends. Increasingly aggressive telemetry and "interest-based" features is a relatively recent trend in Firefox, so give it some time before comparing it with megacorps that developed such stuff for years.

1) I'm not going to go with a browser vendor that violates my privacy more just because it doesn't say it tries not to violate my privacy.

2) Sure, and like the rest of the Mozilla community, I'll keep an eye on those trends. I'll revisit my choice of browser once they're actually worse than the others. Or more likely, work with the rest of the community to prevent that from happening.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by hvis » Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 2:19 PM UTC

luckylion wrote: post #289

hvis wrote: post #284

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> hiding the type of user agent you're using from the site means less finger printing opportunities There are other (maybe a bit more complex) ways to tell what browser you're using, and whether you block ads. > I've never seen a quality site that tried to block me for using an adblock ...yet. This is starting to change, and a lot of websites still have ads as their main source of revenue. Either that, or subscriptio…

> There are other (maybe a bit more complex) ways to tell what browser you're using, and whether you block ads. Yes, and doing so will escalate the arms race. I believe that browsers will come out as the winners, and that's a good thing for privacy. > This is starting to change, and a lot of websites still have ads as their main source of revenue. Sure, but then again, most sites I see on a daily basis in Google are…

> believe that browsers will come out as the winners, and that's a good thing for privacy

Even if I agree with you on the rest, we're back to Firefox not having a majority marketshare.

Mozilla could make a choice to only serve our particular niche, to the exclusion of less-technical users, but I don't think it's a good choice for it, or for the whole web.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by hvis » Thu, Feb 13, 2020, 2:22 PM UTC

prepend wrote: post #282

hvis wrote: post #65

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What could one find disgreeable in a company being a non-profit?

I am a big proponent for non-profit but I think they can be risky if they are dependent on donors, especially a few donors. Mozilla Foundation has google as it’s biggest revenue source [0], so if Google ever decides to change this it will cripple the org. I think this would be different if revenue came from many donors so this risk would be lower. I use FireFox and support Mozilla, but it’s challenging to donate to F…

> if Google ever decides to change this it will cripple the org

Not really. They do have a rainy-day fund, and they have experimented with partnering with other search providers in the past (such as Microsoft, or country-local search engines like Yandex). The main reason they still use Google is that the users prefer it. But if Google decides not to pay anymore, Mozilla will survive.

Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by Hopetoshine_321 » Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 5:21 AM UTC

throwaway2048 wrote: post #177

jfk13 wrote: post #127

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telemetry ≠ tracking

Telemetry is absolutely a polite word for tracking. It is fundamentally about sending information about your system, your usecase, your software and your data to a remote party (usually without notification). Calling it anything except tracking is super bullshitty.

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Re: Mozilla’s plan to fix internet privacy

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Post by phases » Mon, Feb 24, 2020, 4:22 PM UTC

throwaway2048 wrote: post #177

jfk13 wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

telemetry ≠ tracking

Telemetry is absolutely a polite word for tracking. It is fundamentally about sending information about your system, your usecase, your software and your data to a remote party (usually without notification). Calling it anything except tracking is super bullshitty.

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