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Wacom tablets track every app you open

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Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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Or the failure may be on your end, believing that "many people are sensitive to data collection" while in fact, most people don't give a dusty fuck about it and happily share everything for saving a few bucks a month. Hackernews is NOT the people. HN represents a TINY TINY fraction of users.

You're saying this group of "most people" knows what's being sent, that they're exercising informed consent? Surely you aren't hanging this argument on "common sense."

You are saying that most people doesn’t? Any polls or data supporting that assertion? Bring data to the discussion.

Here’s some: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/03/27/americans-c...

91% of Americans feel that they have lost control of their personal data and privacy. The logical conclusion is that at least that many understand what they have gotten themselves into. That would indicate that a majority of people are exercising informed consent, despite the vast majority of Americans feeling that way, they continue to use the gamut of products and services.

Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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"just to make somebody with a limited lifespan feel powerful and rich." Wow that last sentence really puts things into perspective. How can be reverse course and throw a wrench in the system? We are the makers, we should be able to wrestle back control and do it democratically and get politicians on our side to legislate this ad industry into the ground.

Here's a radical idea. Embrace that technology will bring everything to light and essentially destroy privacy. Instead, let's ensure the powerful people in our society also have no privacy. Let's ensure we can watch the watchers with more eyes than they watch us with.

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Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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Until this kind of shit is legislated out of existence, every company that makes an installable program is going to be tempted to do it to generate more revenue. If it's not forbidden, every company will think they have to do it to remain competitive, morality be damned.

Until that happens, use a piHole.

Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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It looks like everything in tech got poisoned, smart TVs taking screenshots, web apps tracking and matching user clicks, smartphones tracking locations realtime and who knows what else, desktop apps monitoring other apps and peripherals, creepy companies building profiles on everyone, health institutions selling data of their users... I want out, I didn't get into this field, keeping myself up-to-date and super capab…

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Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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>Proprietary drivers on Linux are often crap, if they even exist at all. Not so with Nvidia GPUs. The open drivers are awful; the proprietary drivers are good. (But IS the case with AMD GPUs, to the point where the proprietary driver seems to perform worse[0] and everyone pretends it doesn't even exist, which is upside down unintuitive coming from A.) Windows and B.) Nvidia.) 0: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page…

> Not so with Nvidia GPUs. The open drivers are awful; the proprietary drivers are good. Good by comparison to nouveau (the open source driver) perhaps, but definitely not good compared to the open source intel/AMD drivers.

Not my experience. They work reliably and perform well. AMD drivers don't.

Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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So go back to the 90s? Microsoft being the reigning king? Not sure if this time period was honestly better. Or alternatively, give users ownership of their data like the EU has taken steps to do. Advertising is here to stay and provides its own use. But there could be something that forces transparency.

How about no free stuff on the web? Charge for services and make it illegal to sell private information without the subject’s consent and remuneration.

Making it illegal won't solve much. E.g. FB doesn't sell private information, they sell the ability to target demographics. However I understand the underlying principle which you are espousing.

The genie is out of the bottle at this point. IMHO the only method forward is how do we as a society responsibly allow for coexistence such that all parties are satisfied.

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It looks like everything in tech got poisoned, smart TVs taking screenshots, web apps tracking and matching user clicks, smartphones tracking locations realtime and who knows what else, desktop apps monitoring other apps and peripherals, creepy companies building profiles on everyone, health institutions selling data of their users... I want out, I didn't get into this field, keeping myself up-to-date and super capab…

"just to make somebody with a limited lifespan feel powerful and rich." Wow that last sentence really puts things into perspective. How can be reverse course and throw a wrench in the system? We are the makers, we should be able to wrestle back control and do it democratically and get politicians on our side to legislate this ad industry into the ground.

Working on a Kubernetes based clone of Instagram.

My plan is to deploy it and a VPN tunnel and give certain folks access to keep in touch. I’ll have instructions for self hosting and VPN key creation/sharing (Wireguard ftw)

There’s absolutely no reason to bother with cloud services. They’re nothing but big corp coopting our problem solving.

It always comes down to be gatekeeped but no one having the guts to gate keep a rich douche whose money to buy security goes away as soon as we do

Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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Open source drivers are rare on Windows because manufacturers almost always ship proprietary drivers that are good enough, and Windows users clearly have no issues running closed-source software. Proprietary drivers on Linux are often crap, if they even exist at all.

Windows users should push for FOSS drivers as well also when the proprietary ones run perfectly. Privacy and security issues aside, being forced to depend on a closed driver means that the manufacturer can make the product obsolete just by stopping support on newer Windows versions, therefore turning the product essentially into trash, thus forcing the user to buy a new one.

The windows approach to driver certification makes this really difficult. Microsoft virtually requires every driver maintainer to pay $100-odd every couple of years for a signing certificate (and ironically enough this is done in the name of improving driver quality). For a corporation that's nothing, but it's a pretty steep ask for the hobbyist maintainers that OSS drivers tend to rely on.

Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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This would be a real challenge for some companies. Having a clear privacy policy creates a hard dependency between it and the code. And developers are notorious for not even being able to keep comments updated along with their code changes. It's not impossible at all, just in the current state of the industry there's a good reason we have vague agreements (also including good old-fashioned laziness, of course). It'd…

> This would be a real challenge for some companies. Tough. If a company can't do it the right way, they shouldn't do it at all. > in the current state of the industry there's a good reason we have vague agreements Well, I guess that depends on your point of view. I see no good reason for this, but I have no doubt that the various companies do see a good reason by their definitions. You're right about the current sta…

Yeah, 'good' was the wrong word. Maybe 'understandable' but that's still is a bit too charitable.

I was mostly musing about how changing code can have legal/business as well as technical side effects, and we've seen that to some degree with mobile app permissions who just grab everything because it's seen as too much effort to do it right. So I'm curious if this is going to change for the better any time soon.

Re: Wacom tablets track every app you open

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"In Wacom's defense (that's the only time you're going to see that phrase today), the document was short and clear, although as we'll see it wasn't entirely open about its more dubious intentions (here's the full text)."

The "document" is actually comprised of three documents. Lawyers call this "incorporation by reference." The link given by the author is therefore only a starting point. When we incorporate the other two^1 documents -- https://www.wacom.com/privacy and https://www.wacom.com/cookie-notice, this is not a "short" document.

1. Actually it is comprised of four documents if we include the external list of companies -- www.wacom.com/about-wacom/our-passion/our-company that are also beneficiaries of the terms of these policies. Unless the user reads all three documents, she has not reviewed the entire contents of the "policy".

"Wacom didn't say exactly what data they were going to send themselves."

Looking at the privacy policy is there anything that could be in HTTP traffic from the tablet that would be outside the scope of what Wacom has stated they might collect.

Excerpts

3. Scope of this Privacy Policy

This privacy policy explains how we collect and use information that relates to you when you:

- use our other software and products; or

We refer to these uses and interactions as our "Services."

   |------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+------------------------------------------------------------|
   |Usage Information (e.g., indicators of engagement with our  |(1) to improve our products and create  |(a) with our service providers, including analytics         |
   |website or usage of Services, IP address, device identifier,|new products                            |providers, to help us deliver and improve the Services, and |
   |etc.)                                                       |                                        |to provide targeted advertising                             |
   |                                                            |(2) to provide targeted advertising     |                                                            |
   |                                                            |                                        |(b) our Affiliates                                          |
   |                                                            |(3) to better understand how our        |                                                            |
   |                                                            |customers' use our Services             |                                                            |
   |                                                            |                                        |                                                            |
   |                                                            |(4) for our internal accounting,        |                                                            |
   |                                                            |security, and operational purposes      |                                                            |
   |                                                            |                                        |                                                            |
   |                                                            |(5) for purposes required by law        |                                                            |
   |------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------------+------------------------------------------------------------|
Usage Information. We collect information about your interactions with our services. This includes or can relate to your personal information. This information enables us to, among other things, improve our Services and your experience, see which areas and features of our Services are popular and count visits, provide you targeted advertising based upon your interests and to analyze trends, administer our websites, track how you engage with our websites and other Services, learn about the systems, browsers, and apps you use to interact with our Services, gather demographic information about our user base as a whole. We also use analysis tools and methods to allow us to better understand how our customers use our Services. This includes how often the Services are used, the events that occur within the application, aggregated usage, performance data, any exceptions that occur within the software and the source from which the application was downloaded.

"Some of the events that Wacom were recording were arguably within their purview, such as "driver started" and "driver shutdown". I still don't want them to take this information because there's nothing in it for me, but their attempt to do so feels broadly justifiable.

Assuming Wacom respects resolv.conf as it does system-wide HTTP proxy settings, why not run localhost or LAN DNS server, either authoritative or recursive, that does not return a Google IP address for queries like www.google-analytics.com originating from the tablet IP address

The "broadly justifiable" reasoning does not account for the possibility Wacom may collect the data and then fail to improve the product, service or "user experience". Wacom is making no promises of any user benefits arising from collection of data. Even if there were "something in it" for the author, he has no way to hold Wacom to this promise. They get his data and he may or may not get something in return.

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