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How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by ehsankia »

oneplane wrote: post #275
ehsankia wrote: post #266

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> I'm confused what the use case for this is? I want to buy an album by an obscure artist that decided to only put their songs on iTunes. There is literally no way for me to by said album without downloading and installing a giant program. They've seen fixed their web store and also split iTunes into pieces, but that was an issue for many years. > Keynote streaming has had a long, weird history over the past decades…

Why would they care? What do they have to gain? While they are not the typical shareholder-directed company you'd normally see they are definitely still in it for the money. And since the market has shifted to services, ecosystem and larger user bases, there is no money or benefit to be gained from an investment to include people that are not your target audience. That has shifted slightly since as a services company…

Why does Google make Duo and Hangouts work on iOS and Android?

I'm sorry but outright making it hard for a non-significant subsection of people to buy music on your music store is just plain stupid. The only way to justify it is that losing such customers is worth it if it helps them keep their walled garden tight.

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Post by Marsymars »

parliament32 wrote: post #197
hadtodoit wrote: post #155

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You seem confused. Apple Pay works using the exact same tech as contactless payment cards, a widely supported standard.

Doesn't matter, you can configure the terminal to block certain issuers, like when you try to tap your Amex and get the "no supported applications" message. ApplePay is considered an issuer like the others.

> Doesn't matter, you can configure the terminal to block certain issuers, like when you try to tap your Amex and get the "no supported applications" message.

What's the deal with that? I've pretty much given up even trying to tap with my Amex because of how frequently it gives that message.

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by Marsymars »

baddox wrote: post #57
fetus8 wrote: post #14

I've seen "Sign in with Apple" exactly once since iOS 13 launched. I am kind of surprised it's not being rolled out more widely. The first app I've seen and used it with was Byte (the Vine successor) over this past weekend.

I don't think I've ever seen it. I have, however, seen Apple Pay on the web a few times (and in apps many more times), and that has been a great experience.

Apple Pay on web is fantastic. I don't use an iPhone, but specifically use my iPad for online purchases from any retailer that supports Apple Pay.

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Post by rubyn00bie »

TurningCanadian wrote: post #285
rootusrootus wrote: post #243

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Are you asking for Apple to pay for infrastructure for non-customers to use? Or even further, that Apple design and support an Android iMessage app?

Google's messenger apps work on iOS..

Google makes money from advertising, Apple does not...

Google's incentive is to keep you using their platform across any device; because, that is what is in their best interest, they make their money from billions upon billions of small advertising interactions across a vast ocean of interconnected platforms and devices.

Apple sells physical devices, it's their incentive to make sure the experience is great for whoever bought that device. They make their money from selling billions of devices...

Apple's focus is on the "user," and Google's focus is on the "platform." Both have different types of lock-in, but have different reasons why.

I still lost how it's Apple's problem that the standard interface of SMS/MMS is just totally shitty and not capable of doing what people want. Complain to your telecommunication, handset, and operating system providers/vendors to build or enable a better open standard (like RCS or whatever it is).

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by dang »

asadm wrote: post #157
capableweb wrote: post #28

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Maybe in the future refrain from commenting if A) it's a low-effort post and B) you're not 100% sure of the answer. Also, if you're not sure, please state that at least.

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Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments to Hacker News? You've been doing it a lot, and we ban that sort of account. The idea here is: if you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; if you don't, please don't comment until you do.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by jonathankoren »

miloignis wrote: post #203
coldtea wrote: post #185

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> This is how they keep people in. They have to close down their walls as tightly as possible, to force people in. And once you're in, they make it as hard as possible to leave. I call old wives tales. I'm a close-to-20-years Apple user. The walled garden has never been a problem, more of a strength (integration, cohesion, etc). Especially today where everything is a subscription, there has never been LESS of a walle…

I feel like reason you can move is because you haven't put all your eggs in their walled garden, not that they don't have one. I know people who either won't or have regretted switching from an iPhone because they have trouble talking to their friend who only use iMessage. I think Apple is only increasing their walled garden into more areas by expanding into music streaming, TV, etc. You can still use their hardware…

If iMessage is a walled garden, then pretty much every other messaging system is also a walled garden since the death of XMPP. Can anyone build a a third party client for WhatsApp or any other popular messaging system in 2020? Im unaware of any. In fact the top result for “third party whatsapp client” is “Use a third party WhatsApp client and be banned for life”. [0] Hardly the behavior of an open system.

What your real complaint is that there isn’t an client for a nonApple operating system. It’s reasonable to not want to switch OSes, but there are many apps that are iOS exclusive, as there are many android exclusive apps, but I wouldn’t call them “walled gardens”.

Also, iMessage doesn’t make money. It an e2e encryption app with sms support. Because it’s provided by Apple, a company that famously makes money on hardware rather than services, there’s no incentive to mine your (and your connections’) data for profit, like say WhatsApp, or the others, so it is incorrect to claim they are “using & dividing people’s social connections for profit”. If anyone is dividing their connections based on iMessage, it’s your friends.

[0] https://www.cultofmac.com/314343/use-a-third-party-whatsapp-...

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Post by jonathankoren »

pier25 wrote: post #255
wolco wrote: post #100

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Firefox might be the answer or cross platform applications. Always good to get out of the ecosystem when you can.

I've been using Firefox for the last couple of months but I'm not satisfied with it. I'm using Brave now but it only syncs bookmarks... I'm using a password manager but it doesn't sync extensions, autofills, settings, etc.

What are your problems with Firefox?

Re: How Popular Is “Sign in with Apple”?

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Post by ianamartin »

asveikau wrote: post #209

I feel like it isn't all that meaningful to compare Apple vs. Google vs. Facebook auth if the data is coming from a community that already has a favorable view of the Apple ecosystem, eg. the crowd that reads Daring Fireball. The majority of the global market at large is not using Apple devices and Apple sign-in is not going to resonate so strongly or even be a possibility. If you are developing an iOS or Mac app, su…

1.5 billion active devices with all of them tied to an easy payment method is very meaningful. Also, the wealthiest 1.5 billion and the most willing to spend money on tech/app purchases.

This is a big deal. If you're trying to sell an app instead of trying to sell ads, Apple users is your target market, even if your app is web, native Windows, or Android.

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Post by toasterlovin »

vvG94KbDUtRa wrote: post #288
toasterlovin wrote: post #163

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> a) share my data with Apple (i.e. they get to know every time i sign in) They're only requiring this when there are other social login options available. It's not a bid to get access to your private information. It's designed to make it so you're not forced to share your information with Google/FB/Twitter. This existing is strictly better for users.

Ummm it's also strictly better for apple. They do get to know every time you sign in, instead of another company getting that. It's certainly not better for users than creating a separate account tied to a separate email for every service without a big company in between.

> It's certainly not better for users than creating a separate account tied to a separate email for every service without a big company in between.

Some apps don't offer this as an option and force social login. Apple's new rules require Sign In With Apple any time a developer has implemented another social login. So, strictly speaking, this always guarantees more options for users. And Sign In With Apple doesn't leak any other information about you to the app developer. This is a win for privacy, even if it's not the best possible scenario. The world is not perfect. Measures to make it slightly less imperfect are how we walk the path to a better future.

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Post by jbc1 »

haecceity wrote: post #232
denkmoon wrote: post #225

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FWIW Apple Music does work on android, reasonably well too. I switched to that when it became apparent that Google Play Music is a dead product, soon to be sent to the glue factory.

Why do people use Apple Music over Spotify?

I was using it because it had voice command support and Spotify didn't. Was pretty important when 100% of my use was while driving. I think that's changed and Spotify has support now but I don't know how smooth that is.
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