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Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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It is not, moprotect (and mach_vm_protect) work just fine if you have the appropriate entitlements or have a way of getting around its checks.

I think the entitlements are not offered to apps such as firefox and those that are not Apple correct?

Some of them are, but they cannot be used with apps delivered on the App Store.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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A budget of $100M, with 50% devoted to salary and a median salary of $250K, would be 200 developers. I seriously doubt any of the companies you name are devoting even a quarter of that to JS JIT development. Yes, they each make significant investments, but let's not weaken the argument by indulging a penchant for hyperbole.

About 200 seems about right to me across all these companies. Have you worked on one of these teams? > let's not weaken the argument by indulging a penchant for hyperbole Please don’t be so dismissive and snide - there’s no need for that.

> About 200 seems about right to me across all these companies.

Then your initial estimate was way off, because you were suggesting multiple hundreds of millions and the average salary probably isn't that high.

> there’s no need for that

Honest argument wouldn't require such forceful correction.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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About 200 seems about right to me across all these companies. Have you worked on one of these teams? > let's not weaken the argument by indulging a penchant for hyperbole Please don’t be so dismissive and snide - there’s no need for that.

> About 200 seems about right to me across all these companies. Then your initial estimate was way off, because you were suggesting multiple hundreds of millions and the average salary probably isn't that high. > there’s no need for that Honest argument wouldn't require such forceful correction.

I didn't say a hundred million per company.

> Honest argument wouldn't require such forceful correction.

Please try to tone it down.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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Which Linux distributions configure any browsers (reliably, by default, without me having to know extra stuff) so that it cannot read or write files from any directories the user has access to (allowing, say, only /tmp and ~/Downloads and ~/.cache or the like), and so that if it makes inappropriate system calls (any except those on a whitelist) they fail? As a longtime (and grateful) Debian user, I remain impressed w…

I certainly don't meant to claim that Linux is more secure than OpenBSD. OpenBSD's security is better in several respects. I'm just trying to keep this about the browsers themselves.

I'm glad to know about about:preferences as a tab for future ref.; thanks for the info!

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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> What do you suggest Mozilla do instead? Mozilla should sell two products: 1) Storage a la iCloud 2) Payment processing a la Paypal And for marketing purposes they should get into discovery of free/open web services, a la old school Yahoo. As a web site builder, I don't want to have to manage credit cards. As a user, I don't want to have to trust random web sites with my credit card info. I also don't want to be red…

Could you explain a bit more? Why are you confident either would be profitable? 1) would be competing with google drive, onedrive and icloud, which are all funded by very big pockets and have other revenue sources. Furthermore, even dropbox has trouble competing with this. 2) Again competition by paypal, apple pay, google pay, ... . Also, banking business is quite far removed from what they are doing and hard to do w…

In both cases they’d have to bet on growing the Free Software pie. It would be the beginning of transitioning the company to trying to support the Open Web as an institution, supporting open source webservice developers on an equal tier with open source browser users.

No idea if that pie can realistically grown. But unlike their current strategy, it would be in line with their mission statement.

Re: Firefox’s Fight for the Future of the Web

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> What do you suggest Mozilla do instead? Mozilla should sell two products: 1) Storage a la iCloud 2) Payment processing a la Paypal And for marketing purposes they should get into discovery of free/open web services, a la old school Yahoo. As a web site builder, I don't want to have to manage credit cards. As a user, I don't want to have to trust random web sites with my credit card info. I also don't want to be red…

i like the gist of both of your ideas but i'm not sure they are feasible for firefox, since both are expensive services (in different ways) that are a bit outside the competency and mission of firefox. i could see firefox providing hooks for 3rd parties to make those services easier to integrate however (and maybe charging a fee, e.g., to certify the 3rd party). that would fall squarely in their wheelhouse.

That’s the point though, to take on something with real cost (and real value), occupy the Open Source segment of that market, and then grow that segment.

Netscape was trying way back when. Mozilla probably has some PTSD from those days so I don’t have high hopes.

Someone else will eventually come in and be Mozilla on the services side. Might as well be Mozilla.

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