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Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by tbyehl »

untog wrote: post #288
tbyehl wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plex is just an application. My start, back when it was still Mac-only, was to run it on my Macbook Pro. When the drive got full, I deleted content that I'd already watched. For a decade now, Plex runs on any Windows / Mac / Linux device. It'll run on a Raspberry Pi. NVIDIA Shield. Western Digital's My Cloud NAS products (from $139 w/ 2TB). QNAP. Synology. The main obstacle for "average" people is just knowing that P…

It isn’t just an application, it’s an application that runs on your always-on computer. Which most people don’t have. Nor do they have a Raspberry Pi, QNAP or Synology NAS. Knowing that Plex exists is certainly one thing. But you still need to run it somewhere.

What's the argument here, that average people are too dumb to know that their computer needs to be on to access something running on it? That they're too dumb and poor to find and buy another device to run their Plex server if they don't want to use their PC?

I think you underestimate people a bit too much.

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Post by mindcrime »

shadowgovt wrote: post #218
yk wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They just need to not develop drm.

That implies they could not offer the service due to the legal entanglements of offering films owned by multiple parties without copyright protection, so it's equivalent to saying "They just need to not exist." Understandably, they've chosen an alternative.

And yet Hulu, Netflix, and Amazon Prime all work on my Linux desktop just fine...

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by mindcrime »

neximo64 wrote: post #234
mindcrime wrote: post #9

Interesting. I'd been toying with signing up for Disney+ at some point (when does it even go live officially?). But if this is the case, I absolutely won't be getting a subscription as I use Linux as my desktop OS. "No Linux support" == "no customer"

> "No Linux support" == "no customer" The conviction in this statement gave me a bit of a chuckle. I think most of us commenting here don't share this view.

I think most of us commenting here don't share this view.

Then "most of us" are part of the problem. Maybe the admins should rename this site to "Geeky/Techie/Science-ish News Stuff", because the "hacker ethos"[1][2][3][4] seems to be disappearing from here.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacker_ethic

[2]: http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html

[3]: https://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.en.html

[4]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by cryptozeus »

dudus wrote: post #240

Everyone here freaking out about DRM and how they think they're entitled to free pirate it if Disney don't offer the format they want. While I'm just looking at all my TV's that support casting from my phone by default. Who even watches movies on their computer anyway. Your TV will support it natively if not right away just buy a Chromecast or Roku and be done with it. There are worse things to freak out about.

I was surprised as well to find out that many people here still watch the content on laptop. Everyone’s case is different but if you are going to watch starwars hd then might as well get a nice hd tv and forgot about the laptop.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by cryptozeus »

I don’t get the article, seems a bit of premature noise. They said they are aware of it and working on it. Just because it has not been fixed in 1 month during trial period does not mean they will not fix this.

Side note I had a recruiter call from disney + team to work on their app for windows. They are building this thing in wpf. I passed.

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Post by untog »

tbyehl wrote: post #291
untog wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn’t just an application, it’s an application that runs on your always-on computer. Which most people don’t have. Nor do they have a Raspberry Pi, QNAP or Synology NAS. Knowing that Plex exists is certainly one thing. But you still need to run it somewhere.

What's the argument here, that average people are too dumb to know that their computer needs to be on to access something running on it? That they're too dumb and poor to find and buy another device to run their Plex server if they don't want to use their PC? I think you underestimate people a bit too much.

"Too dumb" feels overly emotive. But yes, I'm saying there is a significant gulf between the average user's current setup (a Roku, Apple TV, whatever) and a server that costs several hundred dollars (if you want anything approaching plug and play) and has to be on all the time, both financial and tech knowledge wise. It's not that users are "too dumb" to do it, it's that it is an inconvenience people are more than willing to pay to avoid.

"You use your remote to choose the show you want to watch, and you watch it" is worth $10-15 a month to people when it's compared to "You buy a server, plug it in and leave it on all the time, maybe be responsible for software updates on a regular basis, and also set up some kind of torrenting system to request the shows you want in advance".

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Post by sli »

rinchik wrote: post #292
oblio wrote: post #257

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You don't?

latest uTorrent is just a webapp that streams torrents, there are also a bunch of others.

That's contributing to the death of torrent ecosystems in the same way as Popcorn Time: all leeching, zero seeding.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by toosangiforthis »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #140
yumario wrote: post #19

AmazonPrime video does not delivers HD content in Linux... I tried everything switching browsers, changing User agent, wine, running virtual box. I seems some type of DRM is not implemented yet in Linux. Netflix is the same I think. I happily pirate content now.

FWIW I've had varying luck on Amazon; I think it's based on the publisher of the content. Some of Amazon's own stuff works in 1080 on my machine while other movies are much lower quality

Changing the UA to Firefox windows works too. I always get the "best" stream. Also prime music does not work on Chrome/Firefox on Linux solely because they've blacklisted the UA. I keep yelling at them every 2-3 months

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Post by beerandt »

profmonocle wrote: post #36

> desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. I don't understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don't stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are "good enough…

I think at this point it's just an excuse for sub-par distribution networks. Or an excuse for poor playback compatibly. Or maybe even a way to save on bandwidth.

It gets them out of any contractual or common law minimum level-of-service complaints.

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