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Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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Post by avodonosov »

mikelyons wrote: post #244
avodonosov wrote: post #139

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You should ease up on mushrooms. To come up with such an interpretation... I mean literally, guillotine heals headache 100%, but that's not a sufficient reason to practice it. The same with psychedelic mushrooms, even if they work against smoking, it's not necceserily a sufficient reason to use them.

How do you know that decapitation "heals" a headache? That sounds clever ... you're not bad or wrong for this, it's extremely common and I am guilty of it myself. But I'm pointing to the fact that you don't know that. "even if they work against smoking, it's not necceserily (sic) a sufficient reason to use them" This I can respect and agree with ^

I suppose the entity capable of perceiving headache stops to exist.

Of course noone can be 100% sure, the same as with existence if reality outside of ones mind. We just suppose.

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Post by avodonosov »

mikelyons wrote: post #253
avodonosov wrote: post #229

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I know cases of very tragic results of psychedelic use. So if you think to enlight me on childish bullshit like "the war on drugs is a conspiracy against us, in reality, drugs are very good for people" - if I was some 25 years younger I could consider that, but not today. If you believe there are no downsides, FYI, around a century ago heroin was marketed as a "no downsides" cough suppressant. With time (very soon) t…

There have been tragic results of using automobiles, but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't all continue to use them. There have been tragic results of using Tesla automobiles, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't all eventually move to electric, autonomous cars. You can basically say "there have been tragic results" about anything because there will always be irresponsible use. I could argue that this is irresponsibl…

The magazine articles like the one we are discussing are not serious source of information. Neether are pop culture and "human spiritual history".

Personal experience and scientific literature could be, but I personally don't know such info.

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Post by magnamerc »

cwkoss wrote: post #273
magnamerc wrote: post #240

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You can buy pre-cursors (or known as analogs) like 4-AcO-DMT online from Lysergi. They are sold as a 'research chemical', however they metabolize into psilocin so it is indistinguishable to psilocybin. Obviously you should take every pre-caution before ingesting any substance by doing your own research, and looking into the authenticity of the supplier.

pedantic semantic quibble: precursors are molecules that are used to produce a target molecule. Analogs are molecules which are a functional substitute for a target molecule. 5-Aco-DMT is an analog to psilocin, and is believed to be a prodrug (converted into target by your body), but I think precursor is a misnomer in this case.

Yeah that's why I added analog in brackets haha. But I believe you're correct

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Post by cf141q5325 »

JonAtkinson wrote: post #216
cf141q5325 wrote: post #98

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Same here, but as a side effect to two doses of magic truffles with a few month break between them (15gr and 25gr respectively at ~120kg. With the weight, remember fresh truffles are a lot heavier then dried shrooms). Granted, i have only been sober for half a year but i dont really have the urge to start again. I didnt think this was an option before. But just describing it as "stopped drinking" also cuts it short,…

That sounds like a really positive change in your life. I hope you continue to feel good.

Thanks, i wish you also all the best to reach 1k soon as well. I know I sound a bit manic, but its not an artificial mood change thats the reason for my personal development but the perspective that i can influence how i feel. That i am not trapped in what ever behavior and thought pattern I am currently in. Its like i tried to solve 3d problems in 2d and now know that there is an additional axis i am actually making progress. Even if all the positive development would vanish due to outside circumstances tomorrow, I now know that I can work on my self and how to do that.

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Post by elliekelly »

kragen wrote: post #285
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #256

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>The damages from the opioid epidemic are almost entirely due to the unpredictable quality of street drugs and, especially, the resulting fentanyl overdoses. Wow. I knew the unpredictable quality was bad, but didn't know that the damages were almost entirely due to them. Any chance you have a source there?

I dug around trying to find the link to the study I'd seen, but I haven't been able to. I'd be much obliged if you could share whatever links you dig up.

It's not exactly on point but this comment[1] from HN user UglyToad links to a Guardian article[2] that mentions several studies. The article is specific to Heroin, not Fentanyl, but (admittedly knowing nothing about street drugs) I think they're quite similar, chemically.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21270553

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/14/drugsandalc...

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Post by empath75 »

Smithalicious wrote: post #260
empath75 wrote: post #86

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The CIA tried this with MK ULTRA. It doesn't actually work and they abandoned it.

Granted this did supposedly give us the Unabomber so there's reason to be skeptical of such practices. Not to say that what these researchers are doing is MKULTRA.

They didn't use psychedelics on the unabomber.

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Post by kragen »

elliekelly wrote: post #295
kragen wrote: post #285

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I dug around trying to find the link to the study I'd seen, but I haven't been able to. I'd be much obliged if you could share whatever links you dig up.

It's not exactly on point but this comment[1] from HN user UglyToad links to a Guardian article[2] that mentions several studies. The article is specific to Heroin, not Fentanyl, but (admittedly knowing nothing about street drugs) I think they're quite similar, chemically. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21270553 [2] https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2001/jun/14/drugsandalc...

The issue with fentanyl is that it's much more powerful than heroin, in the sense that the dose to reach a given effect is much smaller. This makes it much harder to prevent the smuggling of, but also means that insufficient mixing can give you a fatal overdose much more easily.

I don't know if heroin has a safer therapeutic index than fentanyl. Possibly. The Grauniad article is correct about the relatively low risks of properly prepared heroin and the dangers of adulteration. I wouldn't be confident that fentanyl in properly prepared doses is equally safe; it might be safer or less safe, but the major difference is in ease of smuggling, which is associated with lack of accountability.

The article mentions amphetamine briefly in an unjustified aside: "It is the same with black-market amphetamines: speed alone may not kill, but speed with a blindfold is highly likely to finish you off." The truth is that amphetamine is fairly safe at therapeutic doses—safer than many common psychiatric drugs, anyway—but at the much higher recreational doses, it reliably generates progressive damage to multiple organs, including the brain. This is not a problem shared by the opiates, aside from the much milder constipation problem.

I had seen somewhere an empirical study comparing deaths from prescription opiates and black-market opiates. I'd like to find it again.

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Post by 09bjb »

hello_newman wrote: post #220
09bjb wrote: post #213

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+1: similar experience and same book recommendation. I've had one high-dose psychedelic session in each of the last three years and while the experiences themselves were sometimes difficult, the positive changes are hard to overstate. They seem mild at first, but the unshakable sense of self-worth, of purpose, and of belonging in the universe have become such strong foundations for all the positivity that I build abo…

As someone who is interested in taking a guided trip to help with some personal problems of mine, how do you go about finding these people who perform guided therapy sessions w/ MDMA/LSD/DMT etc?

You might also check out Kentucky Ayahuasca from Vice Media.

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Post by SCM-Enthusiast »

carapace wrote: post #219
AnthonBerg wrote: post #207

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In MAPS’ completed Phase 2 trials with 107 participants, 61% no longer qualified for PTSD after three sessions of MDMA-assisted psychotherapy two months following treatment. At the 12-month follow-up, 68% no longer had PTSD. All participants had chronic, treatment-resistant PTSD, and had suffered from PTSD for an average of 17.8 years. https://maps.org/research/mdma/ptsd/phase3 Drugs used in therapy can resolve decad…

I'm not an anti-drug puritan. (That would be so so hypocritical.) I think the criminalization of e.g. MDMA and the others is deeply foolish and has done a lot of harm. (To make an understatement. Frankly, I think you should be able to get clean liquid acid or MDMA at the local pharmacy. Why not? "Who the fuck are you to tell me what to do with my brain chemistry if I'm not hurting anyone?", eh?) I don't want to take…

MDMA has a terrible comedown. Suicide Tuesdays is a thing after raves. After a 3 day festival, where you are taking molly like it's candy, Monday you're fine/ alittle hungover from the drinking but come Tuesday the world is fucking hopeless.
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