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Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by tinus_hn »

qubex wrote: post #165

I can’t help but think how prescient Micheal Okuda was when he designed the flat, touchscreen-only LCARS (Library Computer Access and Retrieval System) interfaces for Star Trek: THe Next Generation that first aired way back in 1987, rationalising that he was looking to create a visual style which implied a simplified, abstract system of controlling vastly complex processes in a user-friendly, high-level manner. 32 ye…

The main advantage for Star Trek though was that this kind of device is really easy on the prop department. It’s just a plane of smoke glass with lights shining through a cutout, easy to add the button of the week.

Re: Microsoft introduces Windows 10 X for dual-screen devices

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Post by NikolaNovak »

devicetray0 wrote: post #220
NikolaNovak wrote: post #216

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- You'll take my dual and triple monitor setup from my home office and work-office over my cold dead body - But... on the go? Yes, I want the biggest possible screen, but also the best possible keyboard+trackpoint. So the new Surface Neo feels less than ideal. I am open to possibility that a breakthrough in UI will make this attractive, and/or that brand-new, unimagined-today use-cases will come up; but today , I don…

I worked in tech consulting, and my colleague actually had a very thin ~23" (IIRC) portable LCD screen he somehow carried with him on planes. It had a foldable kickstand so he could set up a dual-screen on any hotseat desk in seconds. It was brilliant, and I briefly considered the same, but my backpack was already heavy enough. I've heard of folks doing this with the MBP + a iPad Pro, but idk how well that works.

I keep looking at those, though in the 12-14" size. I'm interested and can see use-cases.

But - you can put those to the side of your regular monitor.

It's replacing the keyboard ("underneath" / looking down from my primary screen) completely with a full-size second screen, that I don't see myself doing just yet.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

scarface74 wrote: post #127
tasogare wrote: post #123

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> UWP attracted basically no developer attention (which is a shame, it was a pretty good development environment). This is not a shame, this is the logical consequence of all to lies told to the Windows Phone community, which could have bootstrapped UWP but was totally demotivated when UWP was released. But the main reason is the stupid decision to make UWP available only on Windows 10, at a time where Win7 had the h…

There is hardly any energy behind consumer PC development at all outside of games.

> at all outside of games

And you know, all the software stacks across multiple disciplines required to actually make games and movies and TV shows and music.

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Post by scarface74 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #293
scarface74 wrote: post #127

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There is hardly any energy behind consumer PC development at all outside of games.

> at all outside of games And you know, all the software stacks across multiple disciplines required to actually make games and movies and TV shows and music.

That’s a profitable niche, but not a huge niche. Would you really go and talk to investors about your great startup that makes desktop software in 2019?

It’s a great market for Microsoft, Adobe, Avid, etc but not for any new entrants.

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Post by augustl »

thawaway1837 wrote: post #285
puranjay wrote: post #274

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Windows management in macOS is downright awful and has been that way for years. It's come to a point where all serious productivity work I do is done on my Windows computer. I've also recently ventured into building my own PC and realized how much power you can get for peanuts with the right configuration. My last Ryzen 3700x build is faster than any Mac I've ever owned and costs 1/3rd. Between all this and the horri…

There was a substantial period of time in the 2000s when Apple had just released Expose, and neither Windows nor Linux had anything that was comparable and Windows management in OSX was better than Windows or major Linux distros.

Well.... I don't think I've ever used Expose. I don't use it now, that's for sure.

Win10 has all I need. Alt+tab shows me Windows, not apps. Win+arrow keys will maximize, minimize, etc. Win+alt+arrow keys moves windows between displays.

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Post by tanr54ok »

michaelmrose wrote: post #271
tanr54ok wrote: post #248

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1) False. Software screen switching is easily instantaneous. If you literally have two front buffers which, you must for a dual screen setup... there’s no reason you couldn’t flip between them at the refresh rate of your monitor (which is ridiculous but doable). Workspace switchers that run on shitty old X can be and many are effectively instantaneous. Not sure about Windows, but I assume something exists. There’s mo…

How come in people have been shown to be more productive with dual screens?

Well I didn’t say multiple screens didn't serve a purpose, did I?

Having said that, is there any good evidence of a fair comparison of dual screen vs a fast switching single screen. Most Mac and Windows setups make switching so tedious and slow it’s pretty obvious that dual would be more productive.

I would not be surprised that a truly friction minimized single screen setup (total switching latency from input to display I enjoy a multimonitor (4) setup, but I’m not about to trade off battery life and space for it on the road.

Frankly it’s just easier and cheaper to buy a second monitor with state of the art, for most people. I get that. I use OSX and Windows too.

Also, I would expect more than 2 monitors to increase the gap.

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Post by rbanffy »

jon-wood wrote: post #276
hug wrote: post #239

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Attaching a second monitor doesn't suddenly make your main display useless. One of the things I completely fail to understand is why most people I work with close their laptop displays when docked to secondary monitors. I have a 34" 3440x1440 ultrawide monitor at home on my desk, and I use that plus my Macbook's display. At work, I use 24x 24" 1440p monitors, and I use thoes plus my Surface Pro's 12" display. When I'…

I’m trying to work out whether that 24x monitors is a typo, and if not what you’d use them all for. I’m a huge proponent of multiple displays but anytime I use more than three the mental overhead of trying to remember which display something is on (or even finding something for every display) becomes to much.

My dream setup is two 2x2 clusters of square monitors siding a camera. Sadly, it's hard to make the camera glow red and Douglas Rain is no longer available to do its voice.

It's also probably not well suited for software development work, but it'd be a killer operator's console.

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Post by jotm »

scarface74 wrote: post #235
jotm wrote: post #226

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Windows Mobile phones had everything bar capacitive screens years before the iPhone, and tablets were a thing for years, as well. So please, stop with the "revolutionary" nonsense.

Everything about Windows Phones (CE Based) were horrible, including the browser and the interface. Tablets before the iPad were bulky and the interface wasn’t exactly touch friendly.

Nothing but the resistive screens seemed bad to me at the time. Very useable, useful devices. iWhatever was evolutionary, not revolutionary.

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Post by scarface74 »

jotm wrote: post #299
scarface74 wrote: post #235

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Everything about Windows Phones (CE Based) were horrible, including the browser and the interface. Tablets before the iPad were bulky and the interface wasn’t exactly touch friendly.

Nothing but the resistive screens seemed bad to me at the time. Very useable, useful devices. iWhatever was evolutionary, not revolutionary.

I had plenty of experience with Windows CE based devices - I programmed them for four years writing field service implementations. Did you try using Office or IE on Windows mobile devices compared to either iWork,Google Docs, or later Office for iOS?
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