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Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Not impressive. New MacPro hosts only PCIe gen3 when all PC motherboards are on gen4 already. New MacPro is old and it did not come out yet.

It's not targeting you.

No it's not. I like MacOS and use their laptops, but Apple proprietary approach does not work for me when it comes to desktop. Their development lifecycle must be very long if they missed advancements in the CPU space. Ryzen to the masses.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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The biggest new feature im looking for is the removal of the touchbar. Until then, I’m going to just buy upgraded but used 2012-2013 macbook pros. It’s one of those sounds good on paper but useless in real life. Not only that, it’s a hindrance for coders like me who need to be able to hit the escape button and other top buttons quickly with force feedback.

Surely if esc is important to you you shouldn't be using the esc button as esc in the first place? Caps is both my esc and my ctrl and I wouldn't have it any other way. If f buttons are important just configure your fn-as-hyper+1 so do f1, etc.

Checkout karabiner and hammerspoon.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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A great machine to be sure for high end content creation but Apple is not chasing the deep learning dev market because of the lack of CUDA. That market is better served by Linux boxes with appropriate GPUs for TensorFlow, PyTorch, etc. support.

Nvidia really has the GPU market under their thumb. It would be one thing if their pitch was "We're not as good as AMD for games, but we've got CUDA for professionals and researchers!". At least that way there could be some sort of segmentation and I could tell people shopping for GPUs to "get the right one for what you want to do!" But that's not the world we live in. Nvidia's pitch is "We make the only hardware tha…

The worst thing is that MacOS will not likely have Nvidia drivers anytime soon.

Lose-lose for customers.

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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Slightly off-topic, but who here uses a HEDT (high-end desktop) or workstation computer for software development? Does it make a significant difference in comparison with a standard business laptop?

Yes. I work on a Linux distro, and the amount of time my 1st gen 32 core Threadripper has saved me is truly mind blowing. It made it possible to do changes I wouldn't have dreamed of. As an example, I worked a bunch on our PostgreSQL infrastructure, but we support 5 years of versions. So you have to CI/integrate your changes and test them across all 5 versions, every time you test. My machine could do this on the ord…

Why not a dedicated CI server with all this power and a more modest and cheap workstation?

Re: New Mac Pro Tech Specs

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It’s seems like they went all in on AMD a few years ago, so I assume they have a bunch of long term agreements that lower the price? It’s more irksome to me that they don’t have a high spec non-pro desktop. Eg I want high end consumer desktop GPUs, not high end mobile GPUs (afaict that’s essentially what iMacs use). But my alternative appears to be “pro” GPUs with their absurd - for a consumer at least - markups and…

eGPUs have been supported for a couple years now. Grab a Mac Mini, an eGPU, max out the RAM, add an external hard drive or two, boom, your ‘pro consumer’ Mac for about $2k.

Disable System Integrity Protection so you can use an eGPU. What could go wrong? :)

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Isn’t that only if you ignore price? If you only have a limited budget, then AMD will get you better performance. For absolute maximum performance at any cost AMD has nothing that can beat Nvidia though.

so all the high margin business goes to nvidia you're saying...

He's saying that performance gain may not be worth huge price tag. It's similar to Backblaze which decided to use consumer grade hard drives for their storage solution rather than pro grade drives because cost increase was not worth it.

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Slightly off-topic, but who here uses a HEDT (high-end desktop) or workstation computer for software development? Does it make a significant difference in comparison with a standard business laptop?

Depends what you're doing. I'm a low-level developer, my build times are less than a minute, so cashing out on a huge beefy PC would barely make a difference to my workflow.

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Actually, P53 and P73 can be specced with all of those - and more. Up to 128GB RAM, Quadro graphics, 3 drive slots/bays (2 NvME, 1 2.5")...And the chassis is not compromised for thinness, so cooling is adequate.

Forgot to add - and you get a decent display, and it's portable, and it's still cheaper than MP.

And, as an added bonus, you can have major shoulder problems for life from lugging that 17" behemoth around.

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And robust air conditioning, too. Source: worked in an office full of dual-GPU deep learning workstations. We had to bring in those gigantic rental portable conditioners in the summer, and re-do pretty much all of the existing wiring in the office, because electricians who installed the first iteration could not conceive of having two dozen ~900W workstations cranking away 24x7x365 in a single open office plan.

Why do you have the GPUs inside the office with the people rather than in a server room under temperature control?

There's _also_ a sizable server room with temperature control (which was also woefully underpowered when we moved into the office). It's just more convenient for researchers to have a couple of GPUs locally.
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