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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by crazy_eye »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #225
leesec wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also owner of a TM3. Best car I've ever owned by a lot. People sure do get mad about Blutooth. Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades. And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

TM3 owner here. I agree completely that there is a level of hype around Tesla akin to Apple, and along with that comes a polarized audience. I can't change your mind, but I'll provide my anecdotal experience. In our objective search of fully electric vehicles, the model 3 stood alone for us on the 3 most important things in our case, with awd, 310 miles of range, and a mature fast-charging network. On top of that, in our experience, the fit, finish, tight acceleration/deceleration, low center of gravity and polar moment of inertia, and pure joy of driving make it the best car we've owned, EV or not. In our opinion it beats out not only EVs but all cars in the 50k price range.

Add to the above the following positives, and you can get an idea why model 3 owners might be ok dealing with a few negatives.

self driving features, ota updates, top safety ratings, pre-cool/heat interior (and now defrost with v10) from app, regenerative braking for one pedal driving, brake pads last longer, low maint costs, lowering overall tco

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

yalogin wrote: post #205

I was really excited for a minute there hoping that they finally fixed the "autoplay media on the phone on opening the door" bug that plagued the car since its launch. But no such luck.

This might be phone OS specific. I have an iPhone and the latest iOS13 update seems to have fixed this.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by DevoidSimo »

SECProto wrote: post #250
rainyMammoth wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm driving a Toyota Corolla with lane assist which does 95% of what Tesla "Self Driving" does. It accelerates and brakes for me in traffic, and correct courses to stay in my lane. This is a 18k$ car and I would not accept trading Bluetooth issues with fancy parking summon features.

Having driven a car with Toyota's smart driving features... I view them as a negative. Cruise control keeps me too far back from whatever vehicle is in front of me. Dealbreaker with no clear way to disable. I'll stick with my 7 year old Yaris (which also has shitty Bluetooth)

I rented one once, you can adjust the follow distance for the adaptive cruise control. Annoyingly it resets each time you turn on the car though.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by jread »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #225
leesec wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also owner of a TM3. Best car I've ever owned by a lot. People sure do get mad about Blutooth. Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades. And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

I've been a Tesla owner for 5 years - currently have a P85+ (mine), M3 (wife) and Mercedes GL (family car). Prior to this owned 2 Fords, and 2 Hondas before that. For me personally, I'll take the Tesla any day over any other brand, and my non-techy wife is the same. Hard to explain, but I think it's the overall ownership and driving experience including:

- Buying experience is so much more pleasant - set price and no pressure

- Service experience has been great - much better than Ford or Mercedes. Mercedes is good, but every time we take it in they want a small fortune for this or that - you really get the sense that it's a profit center, whereas Tesla is not like this

- No more gas stations - full charge every day, and superchargers make trips and range anxiety a non-issue (owned a Ford EV previously and it sucked in this regard), and overall electricity costs are much lower than gas

- We both love the user interface - as easy and intuitive as an iPad. I don't miss the buttons, and it's so much easier to use than the Mercedes or Ford infotainment systems - and integrated connectivity and OTA updates are superior to those systems as well.

- Fast and fun to drive - handles well

- Lots of room for trips - frunk, trunk, rear facing seats - the P85+ is a great family car - we've done road trips with 4 kids, dog and luggage no problem

- I like the styling - P85+ with chrome delete and 21s looks really great

- Less environmental impact - I support Tesla's mission and enjoy doing a small part to combat global warming and advance EV adoption

- I enjoy the gimmicky stuff - games, whoopee cushion

- Much less maintenance (except for the darn 21" tires), no oil changes, and over the lifespan of the car I believe maintenance costs will be much lower

I will say that build quality is subpar - the Mercedes is notably better in this regard - very nice. Additionally, I don't trust autopilot for anything but long road trips (it's excellent for that), it's tried to kill me too many times - I think the marketing hype is way ahead of actual capabilities.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

je_bailey wrote: post #185

This may seem petty but it annoys me that after all this time I still can't make a hands free call to anyone that has more then one phone number in my address book.

Really? My wife has her mobile and work number on my phone contacts (iOS) and I can use the voice command to say:

"Call wife on mobile" or "Call wife on work" and it works.

I tested this on a 2016 Model X, 2015 Model S and 2019 Model 3.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by microtherion »

prongletown wrote: post #154
zepearl wrote: post #108

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Could be related to what mentioned here (Volkswagen explaining why it's developing its own SW): https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/09/volkswagen-audi-porsche... But really be careful how much Android you're talking about. There are some brands really using Google's automotive services; this is not our strategy. When you do this, you get a great package of function and services, no doubt. But you also have to open up a…

I think you may be confusing Android Auto with Android for Cars. The former is the mobile app and headunit-only integration (audio controls) via video stream, which requires minimal integration with the vehicle. The other is Android repurposed for headunits, with full car integration, such as Volvo's integration. Car manufacturers of luxury cars shy away from Android Auto partially because they believe it turns one o…

Thanks for explaining the distinction. Somewhat reminiscent of the People's Front of Judea vs the Judean People's Front.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by bradlys »

bobsil1 wrote: post #273
bradlys wrote: post #128

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> I used to be a huge enthusiast, drove mr2s, z06 corvettes, a wrx, bmw 3 series, autocrossed the competitively. > Driving an electric tesla made all of those cars feel utterly dumb. Why do they feel dumb? I hear this kind of stuff but I don't get it. Do you still do all the things you did with your old cars but now with your Tesla?

No throttle lag, way more torque, quiet, silent, no loss of range and no CO2 while sitting in traffic jam… ICE just feels intolerable after.

If you have had a Z06 (like the person posted) then you're familiar with big torque. (It has 650lbft) Similarly with any literbike in the last 10 years or what not... Just roll the throttle and you'll overtake anything in any gear.

I feel like the traffic jam stuff isn't about driving - that's about commuting.

I can't imagine being in a dead silent car all the time. It's not like they're dead silent anyway - you hear plenty of wind. I think the sound of tires squealing isn't a very appealing sound. So if that's almost all I'm ever going to hear while ripping up a road then I think I won't have as much fun.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

vageli wrote: post #222
slg wrote: post #162

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If we are going to be pedantic about this, and you pretty much have to be given the topic, a parking violation is not considered a traffic violation. Obviously a private parking lot isn't some completely lawless place, but many (most?) traffic laws don't apply there.

> If we are going to be pedantic about this, and you pretty much have to be given the topic, a parking violation is not considered a traffic violation. Obviously a private parking lot isn't some completely lawless place, but many (most?) traffic laws don't apply there. So you can drive like 50 mph or do donuts, violate crosswalks with pedestrians in them, etc? Does your jurisdiction have no laws on reckless driving,…

>Hell, I know people who have received seat belt tickets while operating a motor vehicle in a parking lot.

The cops can cite you for anything anywhere anytime. It's on you to call them out for bullshit.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by bashinator »

SECProto wrote: post #250
rainyMammoth wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm driving a Toyota Corolla with lane assist which does 95% of what Tesla "Self Driving" does. It accelerates and brakes for me in traffic, and correct courses to stay in my lane. This is a 18k$ car and I would not accept trading Bluetooth issues with fancy parking summon features.

Having driven a car with Toyota's smart driving features... I view them as a negative. Cruise control keeps me too far back from whatever vehicle is in front of me. Dealbreaker with no clear way to disable. I'll stick with my 7 year old Yaris (which also has shitty Bluetooth)

How far back is that? I generally try to leave at least 10 car-lengths in fast traffic, 3-5 in heavy traffic.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by xedeon »

rainyMammoth wrote: post #225
leesec wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also owner of a TM3. Best car I've ever owned by a lot. People sure do get mad about Blutooth. Also, at least they're able to have a 'software direction'. Not aware of any other manufacturer who provides anywhere near this level of OTA upgrades. And obviously the autopilot team is a different one than the people installing games. Chill.

Here is what I don't understand: you paid a small fortune for your car and if this was any other car from any other manufacturer you would react like your parent comment. But because it is a Tesla you are dismissing all the issues and sell it as the best car ever. This wouldn't fly with any other car. If you spent 50k$ on a Audi with poor quality you would probably complain about it. It is a pattern I see with nearly…

> Really trying to understand but what is so different with a Tesla? Is it the Hype factor? The feeling to be in a religious group?

If you are really trying to understand, why don't you test drive one? Only then will you truly know. Having owned a Model S (traded it in for a Model 3) and X.

There is no way I will buy any other car. Maybe if MB, BMW or Audi leapfrogs Tesla in both charging infrastructure and software features. But frankly with the velocity of how quickly Tesla releases new features for FREE, I'm not holding my breath.

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